Caporegime
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Yeah, just means get a lot more on a pallet hence lots lower shipping cost.
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AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D
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Good god, Intel is so far behind in the rearview mirror, AMD will need some high-powered binoculars to see them
Bucket of cold water time.
The average gamer will not notice anything if they swapped between a 14900K and a 9800X3D.
Those are games configured as a cpu test and not games in a configuration likely for a £2000 gpu and a £500 cpu.
Behold:
12.6% difference at 720p Ultra
7.2% difference at 1080p Ultra
4.1% difference at 1440p Ultra
1.1% difference at 2160p Ultra aka 4K
Then there's work workloads, a 9800X3D does not beat a 14900K in most things.
Game benchmarks on low settings are simply a cpu test that favours 9800X3D. They absolutely do not mean you keep that performance advantage outside those settings.
They're a business and need to create content. There's not a lot else going on at the moment.
I understand that but there's a balance to be struck. Spamming your channel with pointless content during quieter periods is just as likely to turn off subscribers as the signal-to-noise ratio drops. I've cancelled many a YT subscription due to excessive "spam" content.
Soldato
Yep. Honestly, I am torn between getting a 14700 and a 9800X3D. The problem with the 9800X3D is the price is rising and availability falling, while the 14700K is doing the exact opposite. Also, I already have a board and RAM that would work with the 14700K. My one remaining issue is that I am not sure how much performance I would lose because the board is a Z690 and the RAM is DDR4. Also, I will need a new cooler for the 14700K.
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Obviously it would be nice to have the new shiny that's more efficient and a little faster. But that's just the hype talking if you won't feel either of those things and it costs you a bunch.
Soldato
Is it my imagination or do there seem to be an unusual number of people having problems with RAM and the 9800X3D??
Soldato
My Z690 board and DDR4 RAM, bought originally for my 9900k, supports my 14700k fine.
Little point in paying for the small differences of a different board and memory if you have those already.
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Yep, difference in performance going from x370 to x570 with my 5950x was basically nothing. (replaced due to instability, but could equally have been the RAM as I replaced both at the same time)
Soldato
I thought I was having problems but mine was fixed by a bios setting instead of leaving it on auto. Even though auto was setting it to the same value as far as I could tell
Mine is a bit weird and bit of an annoyance.I thought I was having problems but mine was fixed by a bios setting instead of leaving it on auto. Even though auto was setting it to the same value as far as I could tell
If my overclock fails and I need to do a cmos reset, my rig will not power on properly. I have to remove one of the memory sticks to power on, get to bios or desktop, power off and reseat memory before it powers on aga8n. Latest bios too
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Soldato
I might be wrong, but that sounds like an Asus thing to me, is it an ASUs board?
I Refuse to buy Asus boards now, for this very reason.
Caporegime
Sounds like a classic case of PEBKAC my friend.I thought I was having problems but mine was fixed by a bios setting instead of leaving it on auto. Even though auto was setting it to the same value as far as I could tell
Do you ever hear from Gregster these days?
I assume they're going to be using the 9800X3D when benchmarking the upcoming GPUs and the video is just to qualify that. If they're asked why they're using the 9800X3D, they can just point to that video.
Dunno what cooler you have but my 14700K is OK on the older Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 (bought due to preferring quiet and availability at time of purchase) - in quiet mode there is a small penalty to Cinebench MT scores but pretty much insignificant in real world applications, with fans allowed to ramp to max it just about clings on without any real performance hit.
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You're just going to have accept that AMD is ahead this generation and Intel is in the doldrums, staying loyal to Intel isn't going to get you far at the moment theres only so much of putting your fingers in your ears and saying "I can't hear you" is going to carry you. Intel are not your friends (nor AMD for that matter).
Not sure what you're on about tbh. It sounds like you're accusing me of being a butt-hurt Intel fanboy, miffed at the Intel CPU getting battered in reviews.
For the record, both of my machines are AMD and I'm about to upgrade the main one from a 7800X3D to a 9800X3D.
I know Intel are stuffed and that's why I went AMD a while ago.
Soldato
I'm going to argue this to the cows come home, but I am tired of the reviewers and their unrealistic tests.
All these numbers are doing is wildly hyping up one CPU to crazy extremes. Everyone MUST have a 9800X3D, when the truth is, with most people the CPU isn't the bottleneck in their system, they are playing at 1440P or 4k and either of these CPU's will run their monitor as fast as it can go.
I mean, don't get me wrong, the 9800X3D is a good CPU, but there are pros and cons to both CPU's, and for 99% of people the 9800X3D shouldn't be the automatic choice. People need to consider a lot more than the 1080P performance.
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Because it's a CPU test not a GPU test, they're testing the CPUs and trying to not have the GPUs get in the way.
The 9800X3D will also offer better 1% lows so the overall experience will be smoother.
Obviously people not running the best GPU won't need the best CPU but I don't think anyone's said otherwise. HUB also recommend upgrading your GPU and sometimes even your monitor before your CPU.
The only contradiction to this is the currently few CPU heavy titles, or simulation games which don't depend on framerate but the time it takes for the CPU to calculate what the AI is going to do.