Poll: AMD Screws Gamers: Sponsorships Likely Block DLSS

[Tinek]

Why would they need paying, thought you said no money was involved and a game is worth money?

I still don't know what situation you're talking about, as you given no details at all. Plus, I am talking about "sponsorship" (as per this thread claiming AMD sponsors something, so they can demand something) and you bring up some keys. I don't know how that's connected, so please do explain what has one to do with the other and maybe then you will get some answers.

 

[Deleted User 234324]

Evidence was provided in that web page that showed the trend of amd sponsored games not having dlss. And implied evidence with amd's statement or lack thereof

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence though.

Just because some AMD sponsored titles don't have DLSS, doesn't mean AMD are actively the ones preventing it.

 

[hyperseven]

I still don't know what situation you're talking about, as you given no details at all. Plus, I am talking about "sponsorship" (as per this thread claiming AMD sponsors something, so they can demand something) and you bring up some keys. I don't know how that's connected, so please do explain what has one to do with the other and maybe then you will get some answers.

from memory Calisto Protocol was 'free' with Radeon and was sponsored, are you not aware these existed?

 

[Raelgun]

Bethesda is fully owned by Microsoft. Good luck with that one. You’re just repeatedly wrong. It’s kinda crazy to see.

So your saying that Bethesda is merged with Microsoft?

Bethesda still has it's own pot of money, if it loses money it gets closed and not Microsoft.

So what am I wrong about sponsorship?

 

[Raelgun]

There is no money involved - sponsorship by NVIDIA and AMD (which even HU said in first vid) means they lend them engineers for free to assist in implementing this or that tech, optimise engine etc. It might involve some advertisement too. That's about it. It's worth some money, yes, but it's not actual money changing hands.

??? Engineer's need to be paid in this scenario, who pays for that.

Advertising is expensive, have you never seen the budget for this kinda thing?

 

[Tinek]

??? Engineer's need to be paid in this scenario, who pays for that.

Yes, game cost lets say small amount of 150 million USD. Takes years to develop, publisher pays for graphics designers, musicians, all kinds of people. AMD sends 2-3 engineers for 2 weeks to help publisher's huge team of programmers to iron out some bugs and ease adding FSR. How much do you think this cost AMD? All they get in return is their logo and some free advertisement "Game sponsored by AMD!". It's pennies. Do you think pennies give AMD power to dictate anything? Do you think the publisher really needs them and that help, or maybe they just accept it because it's free and it cost them nothing to put AMD or NVIDIA logo later? To be clear, NVIDIA works in exactly same way with their sponsorships. Neither side has any power to dictate anything to big publishers - I don't see how they could, considering how little they add to the whole project of creating a big game. These "sponsorships" matter and influence small indie studios, they matter close to 0 to big publishers

 

[Tinek]

from memory Calisto Protocol was 'free' with Radeon and was sponsored, are you not aware these existed?

Yes, and? How is one connected with the other? Also, do you really think the games added to product are free? Or maybe you actually pay for them in the price of the product - as instead of dropping the price, they add "free" stuff to pump up sales? Do you really know that little about how these things work (not just with graphics cards, but with all consumer products in general)? This isn't new, or unique, this is how retail market worked since... forever.

 

[Raelgun]

Yes, game cost lets say small amount of 150 million USD. Takes years to develop, publisher pays for graphics designers, musicians, all kinds of people. AMD sends 2-3 engineers for 2 weeks to help publisher's huge team of programmers to iron out some bugs and ease adding FSR. How much do you think this cost AMD? All they get in return is their logo and some free advertisement "Game sponsored by AMD!". It's pennies. Do you think pennies give AMD power to dictate anything? Do you think the publisher really needs them and that help, or maybe they just accept it because it's free and it cost them nothing to put AMD or NVIDIA logo later? To be clear, NVIDIA works in exactly same way with their sponsorships. Neither side has any power to dictate anything to big publishers - I don't see how they could, considering how little they add to the whole project of creating a big game. These "sponsorships" matter and influence small indie studios, they matter close to 0 to big publishers

So you know exact investment put in?

This is corporate business you realize?

Do you realise the amount of money that's involved.

Do you even know the average pay of Californian engineers?

 

[kieran_read]

Evidence was provided in that web page that showed the trend of amd sponsored games not having dlss. And implied evidence with amd's statement or lack thereof

But that's not evidence that's an hypothesis, correlation does not equal causation.

I could say we need more pirates on the high seas because as global piracy decreased global warming increased, thus we need more pirates to combat global warming... it's clearly a load of ******** but it does corrolate.

That's not to say these hypothesis are wrong, it's just until there is hard eveidence to support (say a leaked sponsorship contract) we can't know for 100%.

Now AMD has already lost here lets be clear there are 3 possible causes;

AMD has actively blocked DLSS from appearing.
AMD has not actively blocked DLSS from appearing but due to sponsorships have blocked it being advertised as being part of the game (this is actually reasonable and how sponsorships work, if Coca Cola sponsors something they wont allow the same company to advertise Pepsi)
AMD has neither blocked DLSS from appearing nor blocked them from being advertised - i.e Bethesda have chosen not to include/talk about it.

They are the only 2 possibilities the end result however AMD will lose in every point.

Starfield Launches without - "AMD Blocked DLSS AMD bad scummy bad naughty bad evil company"
Starfield Launches with DLSS - "AMD Tried to block DLSS and only it's only there because we called them out, AMD bad scummy bad naughty bad evil company"

At this point it frankly doesn't matter what they do, it doesn't matter if DLSS doesn't appear because AMD blocked it, if they just said don't talk about it or even if Bethesda chose not to include it if DLSS doesn't appear if will always be AMDs fault even if it was nothing to do with them, that's how this is going to end.

Ultimatly the biggest flaw is how this is being peddled, its is in NO WAY screwing over Nvidia users as all cards can support FSR, i'm currently playing Icarus on my 1080ti using FSR to get decent settings and it's actually surprising me how well it's working (it's the first game i've actually used upscaling tech, and it's allowed me to play on higher settings at a higher resolution than i could without it)

You could even make the argument that including DLSS and not FSR screws over Nvidia users because only 20% (whatever the figure is) of Nvidia users have a 4000 series DLSS 3 compatable card.

I don't have an issue with people calling out AMD if it turns out to be true because you want a more open PC market, but to call them out in defence of Nvidia is absolute garbage, I have never seen Nvidia Features be compatable on an AMD card yet FSR works on all of Nvidias.

No one should be trying to call out AMD to defend Nvidia we should at least agree on that.

 

[hyperseven]

Yes, and? How is one connected with the other? Also, do you really think the games added to product are free? Or maybe you actually pay for them in the price of the product - as instead of dropping the price, they add "free" stuff to pump up sales? Do you really know that little about how these things work (not just with graphics cards, but with all consumer products in general)? This isn't new, or unique, this is how retail market worked since... forever.

OK bud,you do you, now where is that ignore button

 

[SpudMaster]

So how is hub going to spin the inevitable DLSS inclusion. And I have no doubt people on here will still blame AMD for crumbling to pressure or whatever, rather than just admit it was a rumour which may never come to fruition. (I am not saying AMD have not blocked DLSS, they may have, but let's wait and see).

Well if DLSS is block then HUB will be right and AMD will remain a scummy company.

If DLSS does get included then it will obviously have only been due to the valiant efforts of HUB by raising such matters.

 

[kieran_read]

Well if DLSS is block then HUB will be right and AMD will remain a scummy company.

If DLSS does get included then it will obviously have only been due to the valiant efforts of HUB by raising such matters.

Then they can tweet to the rabbids on twitter about how they are the heroes we all deserve

 

[random_matt]

Well if DLSS is block then HUB will be right and AMD will remain a scummy company.

If DLSS does get included then it will obviously have only been due to the valiant efforts of HUB by raising such matters.

Oh boy.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Well if DLSS is block then HUB will be right and AMD will remain a scummy company.

If DLSS does get included then it will obviously have only been due to the valiant efforts of HUB by raising such matters.

Is this a troll right or did you miss the post 2 above yours

 

[Cyber-Mav]

Oh boy.

There is more than 1 gender you know

 

[Naff8000]

But that's not evidence that's an hypothesis, correlation does not equal causation.

I could say we need more pirates on the high seas because as global piracy decreased global warming increased, thus we need more pirates to combat global warming... it's clearly a load of ******** but it does corrolate.

That's not to say these hypothesis are wrong, it's just until there is hard eveidence to support (say a leaked sponsorship contract) we can't know for 100%.

So what, call them out. It's a company and a company in a duopoly market, companies exist to profit maximise and there's more than enough to maximise with these prices. We probably will never see those contracts. Any other big company and they'd get called out but AMD and we get wall of text sticking up for a them. Are they paying you or is this fan boy level 3?

Now AMD has already lost here lets be clear there are 3 possible causes;

AMD has actively blocked DLSS from appearing.
AMD has not actively blocked DLSS from appearing but due to sponsorships have blocked it being advertised as being part of the game (this is actually reasonable and how sponsorships work, if Coca Cola sponsors something they wont allow the same company to advertise Pepsi)
AMD has neither blocked DLSS from appearing nor blocked them from being advertised - i.e Bethesda have chosen not to include/talk about it.

They are the only 2 possibilities the end result however AMD will lose in every point.

Starfield Launches without - "AMD Blocked DLSS AMD bad scummy bad naughty bad evil company"
Starfield Launches with DLSS - "AMD Tried to block DLSS and only it's only there because we called them out, AMD bad scummy bad naughty bad evil company"

My heart bleeds.

I don't have an issue with people calling out AMD if it turns out to be true because you want a more open PC market, but to call them out in defence of Nvidia is absolute garbage, I have never seen Nvidia Features be compatable on an AMD card yet FSR works on all of Nvidias.

No one should be trying to call out AMD to defend Nvidia we should at least agree on that.

I've been lurking through this thread and forgive me if I'm wrong but I do not see people defending nvidia. Are you sure you're not imagining this?

 

[kieran_read]

So what, call them out. It's a company and a company in a duopoly market, companies exist to profit maximise and there's more than enough to maximise with these prices. We probably will never see those contracts. Any other big company and they'd get called out but AMD and we get wall of text sticking up for a them. Are they paying you or is this fan boy level 3

Call them out for what? There's no evidence they have done anything. Provide if it you have it, you can make any accusation you want but it's just that, an accusation. We will see contracts eventually nothing stays hidden forever, if they are all similar to each other someone somewhere will leak it at some point.

 

[random_matt]

28 pages, can we just wait for official news now?

 

[kieran_read]

28 pages, can we just wait for official news now?

Something I can agree with there.

 

[Vexr]

HUB makes a video claiming that AMD is blocking DLSS in their sponsored titles, deducing this from AMD's (infamously amateurish) GPU PR department, who responded with a suboptimal / vague / non-committal response when directly queried about this. HUB then thought they had the basis of a video to whip up the peasants into (more) of a frenzy against anti-consumerist practices in the GPU market, this time by AMD.

Got blowback.

Puts out another video about how they're laughing at those in their comment section, about how wrong headed their detractors are who can only be die hard AMD fan boys, and explicitly invites dislikes and un-subscribing from their channel.

It's weird seeing HUB take this tone. Perhaps it's an attempt to be edgy in an era of poor hardware that inspires no excitement to objectively review, and all the plaudits are going to partisan drama queens, and they're attempting to get in on that. Or maybe they're just really salty for once. The thing is, if you want that kind of content, you can go to streamers like Frame Chasers for this new style of douchey hardware commentary (he's a not exactly a big fan HUB either, but his take is at least entertaining )

Seeing HUB abandon their usual milquetoast role and attempt to stir it up with their viewers simply doesn't play to their strengths IMO. I respected their milquetoast-style neutrality as one of the things that made them fairly unique.

I need to check it myself, but a commenter cited MLID as having a source stating that AMD aren't enforcing a block of DLSS in their sponsored titles. Boy would that be something if that turns out to be true. Which brings me right back to the first vid. If it was ironclad confirmed that AMD are enforcing a blocking of DLSS, HUB might be justified sticking their oar in, but they simply didn't have the evidence of to back it up, especially not enough to evoke the emotive response to AMD they were pushing for in their first vid.