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Poll: AMD Screws Gamers: Sponsorships Likely Block DLSS

Are AMD out of order if they are found to be blocking DLSS on Starfield

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TNA said:
Unreal that people see AMD in such good light.
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It staggers me that anyone sees any corporation as 'good'.

Corporations are not your friend. Not even the 'good' ones. Buy the product that serves your needs at the price you're willing to pay. That's as far as that relationship should go. Anyone who feels the need to rush to the defence of these companies is an idiot.
 
Tediore said:
It staggers me that anyone sees any corporation as 'good'.

Corporations are not your friend. Not even the 'good' ones. Buy the product that serves your needs at the price you're willing to pay. That's as far as that relationship should go. Anyone who feels the need to rush to the defence of these companies is an idiot.
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But that's not really my argument.

My argument is that rewarding the 'bad' ones is never good thing, especially in the longer term.

Pretty much all corporations are in a race to get as much money and power as possible but some are a lot more rustless at how they get there. Rewarding those ones leads to all the others following suite. A true race to bottom.

I know that "the lesser of two evils" is not a great endorsement but sometimes that is all we have. And rewarding "the greater of two evils" has never ended well!
 
KompuKare said:
But that's not really my argument.

My argument is that rewarding the 'bad' ones is never good thing, especially in the longer term.

Pretty much all corporations are in a race to get as much money and power as possible but some are a lot more rustless at how they get there. Rewarding those ones leads to all the others following suite. A true race to bottom.

I know that "the lesser of two evils" is not a great endorsement but sometimes that is all we have. And rewarding "the greater of two evils" has never ended well!
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So what should people do? Buy the arguably lesser option just to support the "underdog" products in the hope that they'll deliver a better product/feature some day soon? I did this time and time again with my amd gpu run from the 3850 to the vega 56 in the hope that with amd being in consoles and a complete driver rewrite, it would help them dominate nvidia but that never happened.

Maybe, once again, we should be getting amd to deliver products that are on par and can offer features as good or better than the competition, then people who value said features etc. will have a choice.... Bit like what happened with ryzen in the cpu space.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Did they send The Fixer around then? :p
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I'm disappointed in Hardware Unboxed for targeting the underdog, AMD. Nvidia seems to get away with exploiting this market all day long, which isn't cool.

we need a Dislike button please
 
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Imagine you're a small company doing research and development, but you're up against a big company that has special agreements with software companies. This big company intentionally slows down their older graphics cards and prevents you from using certain features, and they claim it's for a fancy feature called DLSS. Then, your competitor releases a software that anyone can use, and they're unfairly criticized for it. AMD is on the side of the people. Without them, we might still be using outdated Quad-core processors like the 15900K and low-end graphics cards like the RTX 1030Ti. I personally just got Bite by going 4090 - DP 1.4 - outdated within 10 months. Everyone who says the new monitors came out after are ignorant - Nvidia are a GPU company, they know their market


FYI FSR 3 works on NVIDIA 1060's why doesn't DLSS?
 
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tommybhoy said:
We all know comparitavely that NV is anticonsumer and AMD is pro consumer.

Why anyone champions anti consumerism as a positive in these conversations is mind numbing.
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Not saying Nvidia aren't anti consumer but AMD aren't pro consumer, AMD are "we'll take whatever we can get while playing the poor ickle victim"... if the roles were reversed AMD wouldn't push open source or anything they currently do, They do now as they have no choice.

faceman123 said:
FYI FSR 3 works on NVIDIA 1060's why doesn't DLSS?
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Because DLSS uses Tensor cores.
 
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Dicehunter said:
Because DLSS uses Tensor cores.
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While technically true other reasons might include:

Because DLSS was created to sell the latest Nvidia cards.
Because tensor cores where designed for Nvidia's big money spinner, AI, while being able to use the same dies for Pro and gaming markets is far more profitable. So they had to find something for them to do.
Because gaming GPUs using tensor cores for the magic upscaler generates more AI hype.
Because having fallback routines for DLSS like Intel did is something Nvidia would never contemplate even if the fallback was only for their own older cards.
 
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Hilarious, there both pretty bad and dishonest,. They all only care about the bottom line. Worst thing about this is that hub will make money from people watching this too. The tech media industry is in a pretty bad state right now all around imo.
 
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KompuKare said:
While technically true other reasons might include:

Because DLSS was created to sell the latest Nvidia cards.
Because tensor cores where designed for Nvidia's big money spinner, AI, while being able to use the same dies for Pro and gaming markets is far more profitable. So they had to find something for them to do.
Because gaming GPUs using tensor cores for the magic upscaler generates more AI hype.
Because having fallback routines for DLSS like Intel did is something Nvidia would never contemplate even if the fallback was only for their own older cards.
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Nvidia could likely have a DLSS-Lite for older Nvidia cards not equipped with Tensor cores but as of right now it's a little late in the game as any popular game, Minus a few, That has DLSS also has FSR which works on a 1060.
 
Not sure why all the AMD hate, Micro$oft own Bethesda surely they signed off on the whatever features were included. Perhaps M$ wanted to minimise the gap between their 4K:cry: 30FPS with FSR^2 console and PC's.

Someone in M$ said.. this is great, runs like trash on modern hardware, lets make sure everyone can have glitchy fuzzy effects for the lolz.
 
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Dicehunter said:
Not saying Nvidia aren't anti consumer but AMD aren't pro consumer, AMD are "we'll take whatever we can get while playing the poor ickle victim"... if the roles were reversed AMD wouldn't push open source or anything they currently do, They do now as they have no choice.
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We are literally discussing in a thread about Nv 'playing the poor ickle victim' because they're not happy when game devs don't include and promote their tiered paywall features.:p
 
Thing is in the past AMD has promoted open standards and APIs. They made Vulkan etc for everyone. People don't expect this sort of thing from them.

While Nvidia is more like Apple. They protected Physx and gsync like Gollum did his ring.
 
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Nasher said:
Thing is in the past AMD has promoted open standards and APIs. They made Vulkan etc for everyone. People don't expect this sort of thing from them.

While Nvidia is more like Apple. They protected Physx and gsync like Gollum did his ring.
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very good point, tbh i can't see the issue with what amd have done with starfield, just look at all the nvidia supported titles and many of the new technologies they have brought are locked to latest gen, if you have any older rtx like 2000 series your out of luck, hyper-rx and fsr 3 arn't out yet, when this drops it will change the opinion of many, everyone needs to cool off, not long ago everyone was complaning how expensive nvidia latest gen was, any thing below the 4090 was terrible value, the 4090 wasnt much better but it had the grunt to back up its asking price.

Its just because amd have got a big game to there name that everyone is kicking off, it would be the same situation if starfield was a nvidia title at heart, yes they would support amd tech, but the main focus would be dlss and upscaling tricks, fps would be very high and make amd look poo in comparisoon, then everyone would kick off who uses amd cards.

lets not forget starfiled is in early access to those who bought premium, bethesda may cave in to pressue as time goes on and add support for dlss themselfs after the offical release drops tomorrow.

why did hardware unboxed bring up amds past mistakes like locking cpu support from older boards (which was unlocked), the rx 7600 price change last minute that "angered reviwers" (but great for consumers), the rx 7900xt price at launch ok that was a silly price (but if you look now at prices they are pretty decent). the video is about game support so why bring up past errors of a company?

i really dont get why amd has so much hate towards them, past misatkes should be left in the past and look forward to what they have and how to improve.
 
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