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B1gbeard said:
Partly yes don't you think? Don't tell me mainstream now only contains some specifics that the OCUK forum has decided upon. Gigabyte even keep the Gaming in the title as do MSI.
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Not at all.
I find is rather amusing, though also sad, that you fall (fool?) for the marketing words of manufacturers. Aesthetics of the motherboard doesn't affect the functionality of the PC. But it does appear that people look at boards and think "Ooo RGB, it must be good for gaming" or think because it's got "Gaming" in the title that they're going to be better at Overwatch or CS:GO or whatever the kids are playing these days.
 
Rossi~ said:
Not at all.
I find is rather amusing, though also sad, that you fall (fool?) for the marketing words of manufacturers. Aesthetics of the motherboard doesn't affect the functionality of the PC. But it does appear that people look at boards and think "Ooo RGB, it must be good for gaming" or think because it's got "Gaming" in the title that they're going to be better at Overwatch or CS:GO or whatever the kids are playing these days.
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I think you've missed the point completely which is equally amusing. I haven't fallen for anything (which seems pretty clear reading my posts again) and you seem to just want a fight about the "Gaming" thing. I've never stated what you have said anywhere other than the mobo manufacturers are also trying to appeal to the gaming market as well which they clearly are.

My point is that there shouldn't be people in the thread trying to dictate what is discussed which there clearly is. If anything TR is probably the most interesting gaming CPU to come out for some time assuming you don't just want the fastest. AdoredTV showed 3 different modes which all act differently not only within a single game, but the different modes also perform differently depending on the game. Then you add in overclocking and it's very interesting. Certainly more so that talking about a 7700k or standard Ryzen which pretty much do what they do consistently.
 
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B1gbeard said:
I don't get this reluctance to talk about gaming. It' a forum!! Do people who do productivity work feel threatened or some such because people might primarily game on them? I bet there are more than you think. We know the productivity scores so should we just stop all discussion?

AMD went to the trouble to give TR a game mode, a lot of the motherboards are gamey. AMD and the mobo manufacturers clearly expect a lot of gaming to go on. AMD even did a video with a gaming system manufacturer about a TR gaming system.

I'm very interested in peoples gaming experiences so bring it on!
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Gaming mode just makes it an R7 1800X and removes half your RAM. It's a good idea when games don't understand high core counts and suffer when using RAM connected to both dies, but doesn't going into gaming mode require a reboot? Not entirely hassle-free but it's a great option for those who really do a mix of gaming and production.
 
DragonQ said:
Gaming mode just makes it an R7 1800X and removes half your RAM. It's a good idea when games don't understand high core counts and suffer when using RAM connected to both dies, but doesn't going into gaming mode require a reboot? Not entirely hassle-free but it's a great option for those who really do a mix of gaming and production.
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Judging by the AdoredTV review video there are 3 modes not including over-clocking and some seem to give better performance than a 1800x and some worse due to the 4.1-4.2 clocks I guess. All interesting stuff (although just to me apparently :D)
 
DragonQ said:
Gaming mode just makes it an R7 1800X and removes half your RAM. It's a good idea when games don't understand high core counts and suffer when using RAM connected to both dies, but doesn't going into gaming mode require a reboot? Not entirely hassle-free but it's a great option for those who really do a mix of gaming and production.
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Yeah there seems to be a lot of faffing around involved if its just to be used for gaming. Rebooting into different modes etc to find out what works the best for what game. Get a 7700k/ryzen 1700 and be done imo
 
gavinh87 said:
Yeah there seems to be a lot of faffing around involved if its just to be used for gaming. Rebooting into different modes etc to find out what works the best for what game. Get a 7700k/ryzen 1700 and be done imo
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I think that's the thing though and partly my point. Some of us don't want to buy those. I have zero interest in buying a 7700k and slightly more interest in the standard Ryzen platform so for some of us, the purchasing decision is not based on speed or convenience or cost. It's just because TR is what it is and peaks our interest (well mine anyway) and that should be OK.
 
B1gbeard said:
I think that's the thing though and partly my point. Some of us don't want to buy those. I have zero interest in buying a 7700k and slightly more interest in the standard Ryzen platform so for some of us, the purchasing decision is not based on speed or convenience or cost. It's just because TR is what it is and peaks our interest (well mine anyway) and that should be OK.
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I'm not saying you shouldn't, its your money afterall! Just that most wont and this is why it isn't seen as a gamers CPU.
 
gavinh87 said:
I'm not saying you shouldn't, its your money afterall! Just that most wont and this is why it isn't seen as a gamers CPU.
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I get that, hell I don't see it as a gaming CPU. I think the thread could just do without some of the blanket statements about what someone will not be using the CPU for and the odd derogatory term about the reasons for buying it.
 
Still waiting someone getting the gigabyte board in stock. At this rate I'll have the ek water block before the mobo, this is ridiculous.
 
smilingcrow said:
This is a good read on Gaming Mode and why you are probably better off not using it but disabling SMT instead:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11726...-game-mode-halving-cores-for-more-performance
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AdoredTV looked into it, the performance difference is only slight in gaming mode, a few FPS.

Also...

** Right before testing Ryzen 3 and Threadripper a new game patch was issued and kicked in. Ryzen perf is going up and up and up and up with each new patch (great to see). We still need to re-test Ryzen series 5 and 7 but as you can see, the immense gap has pretty much been closed with merely game engine optimizations.
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The Gamers TR will be the 1900X, 8 cores but near enough twice the memory bandwidth of the 1800X, content creators will want the 12 / 16 core TR. Ref the Taichi x399, it ditches the 10Gb NIC (I wonder how many on here have 10Gb network infrastructure at home or even in the office?) but I still don't understand the SATA overkill or the U.2 ports. 4 x SATA is more than enough alongside 3 x M.2. U.2 devices are still crazy money and get spanked by the Samsung 960s in M.2 format.
If a manufacturer wanted to be really clever then license Avago's Cachecade and implement it alongside 2 x M.2 with 4 x SATA for something quite interesting. You could knock up a relatively cheap 10TB storage solution that in most cases would be giving you sustained R/W of 1000MB/sec.
 
Just out of interest has anyone done Vega Vs 1080 Vs 1080 ti bench marking on a threadripper / Ryzen system? It would be interesting to see if the better thread utilization on the AMD drivers narrows the gap on GPU performance. I don't for a second expect Vega to overtake the ti but it would be interesting to see if there is any current scenario where AMD can release the flops.
 
robbiecfc said:
The Gamers TR will be the 1900X, 8 cores but near enough twice the memory bandwidth of the 1800X, content creators will want the 12 / 16 core TR. Ref the Taichi x399, it ditches the 10Gb NIC (I wonder how many on here have 10Gb network infrastructure at home or even in the office?) but I still don't understand the SATA overkill or the U.2 ports. 4 x SATA is more than enough alongside 3 x M.2. U.2 devices are still crazy money and get spanked by the Samsung 960s in M.2 format.
If a manufacturer wanted to be really clever then license Avago's Cachecade and implement it alongside 2 x M.2 with 4 x SATA for something quite interesting. You could knock up a relatively cheap 10TB storage solution that in most cases would be giving you sustained R/W of 1000MB/sec.
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I'd love a motherboard with loads of native SATA ports. Perfect for a file server...although AM4 is enough for such a machine rather than Threadripper. My main switch is 1 Gb/s but other than that all of my cabling is 10 Gb/s ready so if I ever do get 2+ PCs with 10 Gb/s ports I'll think about upgrading the switch.
 
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