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AMD To Launch RV770 On June 18th

I dont see how anyone expects the GDDR5 packing cards to be anything less than a premium price! We are talking around a £50 increment which puts the 4870 with GDDR5 in the £250-275 bracket....taking into consideration some price gouging of course.

Its what we end up paying for the latest tech afterall. Look at DDR2 memory, 2GB of decent kit can be had for £30 whereas a year ago these kits were £70-90! This kind of drop will happen in the graphics arena also. Within the next 6months you will see GDDR5 models possibly drop in price.

Plus if people by your product @ a set price then great, if not, you have to lower it. It's basic economics people :p however of course OCuK have overheads to cnsider :rolleyes: lol
 
jrodga2k5 said:
I dont see how anyone expects the GDDR5 packing cards to be anything less than a premium price! We are talking around a £50 increment which puts the 4870 with GDDR5 in the £250-275 bracket....taking into consideration some price gouging of course.

Its what we end up paying for the latest tech afterall. Look at DDR2 memory, 2GB of decent kit can be had for £30 whereas a year ago these kits were £70-90! This kind of drop will happen in the graphics arena also. Within the next 6months you will see GDDR5 models possibly drop in price.

Plus if people by your product @ a set price then great, if not, you have to lower it. It's basic economics people :p however of course OCuK have overheads to cnsider :rolleyes: lol
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Well yeah, but I'm not talking about assumptions and whatnot, the 4870s have been stated to cost $329 initially, but dropped to $300 due to the GTX260.

As much as people say we get ripped off over here, it's not as bad people make it out to be, especially with graphics cards.

I keep making the point of how much the 4850 costs, but it seems to be getting ignored by those I'm saying it to.

The price was shown to be $199 for quite a while, and what do you know? It gets priced at that over plus VAT, which to me, is extremely fair, and I wouldn't expect anything less.

This is what confuses me though, we have seen this with the 4850, why do people continue to make up prices for the 4850? It completely goes against what we've seen from ATi lately.

The price just keeps going on up and up and up. Some people saying it'll cost £200, then it goes to £20, now people are saying it's going to be close to £300, which is blatantly fairy land material. We've already seen listings of the 1GB 4870 and it was priced at 260 euro, which puts it at £205, so why people continue to fabricate prices, I don't know.

Also worth bearing in mind about the 4870 1GB for 260 euro, chances are the country they're being sold in has a higher rate of sales tax than we do, so we could actually see the 1GB cards at sub £200 prices.

Ignoring OCUK prices as I won't be buying a graphics card from here for a long time while they continue this crazy overcharging.
 
To me, the cheapest 4870's shouldn't be any more expensive than the cheapest 4850's + £50, as that's how they're priced ($199 vs. $299 - $100 difference). Any more is just gouging.
 
Oh no im not changing the prices of the 4850 one bit, I will know how cheap and expensive they are! In fact i nearly bought on at the bargain basement price I seen on friday....actually nearly bought 2! But anyways I just worry about the premium paid on the addition of GDDR5 ram. It is the NEW tech in terms of graphics ram and it will cost more etc etc as you know.

I just wouldnt be surprised if the GDDR5 model of the 4850 comes in around £200 with the 4870 GDDR5 @ £250! I mean of course this is my opinion but I'm sticking to it. If I'm wrong so be it but I cant see it being too far off.

The GDDR3 models of the 4870 will come in at the price we all think and know it will I just cant see past a £50 premium on the GDDR5 cards.


What I believe we are all forgetting however while we obsess about the ram type is the simple fact that a 4850 with GDDR3 blooming rocks the socks off the competition and there is no reason to suspect otherwise with the 4870 :)
 
Lightnix said:
To me, the cheapest 4870's shouldn't be any more expensive than the cheapest 4850's + £50, as that's how they're priced ($199 vs. $299 - $100 difference). Any more is just gouging.
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Thank you!

Not many people seem to get what I'm saying about these cards. We've already been told how much they're gonna cost, and the 4850 in the UK is inline with that, there's no reason the 4870 should be any different than what we've already been told.#

The 4870s will most probably use the same board as 4850s right? Also considering the low cost of production of the RV770 GPUs too, the GDDR5 isn't really going to increase productions costs at all, which helps keep the prices inline with what we've been 'promised' already.
 
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Tom|Nbk said:
The $299 is the 512MB RRP. The 1GB will be more. I'm expecting £260-£280. Feel free to drag my post up if I'm wrong.
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That's a price-range i'd agree with rather than £300+... but only during the initial release. Remember ater the initial gouge that once these are available at the major etailers prices eill drop... especially if NV drop their prices to counter it.

Ahh competition at last. :)
 
Tom|Nbk said:
The $299 is the 512MB RRP. The 1GB will be more. I'm expecting £260-£280. Feel free to drag my post up if I'm wrong.
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Wow, you really think an extra 512MB of GDDR5 is going add an extra £80-£100 onto the price of the cards? :eek:

We have already saw listings of the 1GBs for £205.:(
 
Kyle I know you want the card to be as cheap as everyone else does but the fact of the matter and from my experience they will be charging upwards of £250 for the 1GB. Simple as.
 
Some more info here, all from FUD but it's wel lpast the rumour stage now so it will be reliable methinks:

Radeon HD 4870 to be in short supply http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8063&Itemid=1

Radeon 4870 to sell for €229 http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8062&Itemid=1

Radeon 4870 benchmarked http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8060&Itemid=1

Sapphire and PowerColor announce HD 4870 http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8058&Itemid=1
 
If i remember correctly we were being charged £230 for a 2900XT with 512MB ram and then £299 for a 2900XT with 1GB of ram! I cant remember if the 512 was only GDDR3 and the 1gb was GDDR4 however!
 
Yup the GDDR5 won't be cheap. The 1GB numbers will be even more limited than the 512's they'll almost be 'exclusive' expect a big price for them initially.
 
Tom|Nbk said:
Kyle I know you want the card to be as cheap as everyone else does but the fact of the matter and from my experience they will be charging upwards of £250 for the 1GB. Simple as.
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That's what I don't get though, it's got nothing to do with me wanting them to be as cheap as possible. You're telling me that your experience says they're going to be upwards of £250? I could afford to pay £250 for them, but that's not the point at all. I was saying this about the 4850s, look what happened?

Your experience doesn't tell you that, you tell yourself that, regardless of the evidence that's out there and the previous releases from ATi (which is what you would use to base your experience, but you're not).

As I keep saying, over again, the 512MBs are reportedly going to be $299 down from $329.

Talking of experience, what your experience should tell you is that the 4850s are $199, over here, they're the same plus VAT.

The 4870, said to be $299, there's no reason why it will be any different to the 4850.

So now, the 4870 1GB, you actually think that they're going to be an additional $180-200? :eek: That's terribly shocking that you think your experience points to that being the case.

Since the 3800s came out, ATi has promised to keep their cards at under $499. The 1GBs are not reference, as far as I know, but if they're going to be charging $500 for a 1GB 4870, where does the 4870X2 come in to it?

You experience should tell you that based on the 3870X2, it'll be under $500, in accordance to ATi's 'promise'.

Why would ATi have two graphics cards at the same price point, but with radically different performance?

As I keep having to say, the 512MB 4870s will be around £180 in accordance to the 4850's price, and the stated 4870 US price. They aren't going to add another £80-100 for an extra 512MB GDDR RAM. The price difference between the 4850 and 4870 is about £50-60, which is right.

For that extra £50-60, you get 100Mhz on the core speed, GDDR5 RAM, Dual slot cooler with heatpipes, and an overall more powerful graphics card. So your extra £80-100 doesn't make any sense at all for just extra RAM what ever way you look at it.

Now if they do end up being this price, which I highly doubt, then they're going against their current trends completely. Which, I'm sure they know, won't buy them any customers, and we all know they need as many customers as they can get.
 
kylew said:
Now if they do end up being this price, which I highly doubt, then they're going against their current trends completely. Which, I'm sure they know, won't buy them any customers, and we all know they need as many customers as they can get.
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They could charge £260-£280 easily for the 1GB version of the 4870 and easily get away with it after all this would still make it a better buy than a GTX 260 and the faster card.

The 512MB £220-£230

The 1GB £260-£280

I don't care about what they charge in the US this is rip off Britain and it's price gouging ahoy for a good few weeks.
 
Tom|Nbk said:
They could charge £260-£280 easily for the 1GB version of the 4870 and easily get away with it after all this would still make it a better buy than a GTX 260 and the faster card.

The 512MB £220-£230

The 1GB £260-£280

I don't care about what they charge in the US this is rip off Britain and it's price gouging ahoy for a good few weeks.
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I'm guessing you got those prices using your experience? :rolleyes:

As I've pointed out, rip-off Britain it may be, but why can we pick up 4850s for the same price as the US + VAT?

Why can we pick up GTX280s for the US Price + VAT?

Why, when the 3870X2 was released, could we pick it up for US price, + VAT? Hell, some people got them for sub US price excluding VAT.

So rip-off Britain indeed. :o

Why is the 4870 going to be different? OCUK seem to be the only place that I've bought from that price gouges in this way.

On release, OC had 3870X2s for £300, some people got them for £260 on day of release, just as an example.
 
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Doesn't AMD's price promise go out of the window for now though seen as their 4870's are going to be in shortage, will mean a high premium price until quantity picks up, then they can drop, just like the 8800 GT, that was supposed to be around £140, but seen as they were in shortage (according to Nvidia :p), they were £180+, so i can't see the 4870's starting at their promised prices.

Prices were already intentionally revealed on here anyway, cheapest was £210, with the dearer ones going up to £240-250, which is quite a bit more than £180.
 
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