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AMD To Launch RV770 On June 18th

LoadsaMoney said:
Doesn't AMD's price promise go out of the window for now though seen as their 4870's are going to be in shortage, will mean a high premium price until quantity picks up, then they can drop, just like the 8800 GT, that was supposed to be around £140, but seen as they were in shortage (according to Nvidia :p), they were £180+, so i can't see the 4870's starting at their promised prices.
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The shortage is why they've held them back though isn't it? So they can get some more produced come release day. I'm also talking outside of shortage price bumps and price gouging. They'll most probably have decent supply once they announce them for shipping/release anyway.
 
kylew said:
The shortage is why they've held them back though isn't it? So they can get some more produced come release day. I'm also talking outside of shortage price bumps and price gouging. They'll most probably have decent supply once they announce them for shipping/release anyway.
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No there's still going to be a shortage. Mass availability won't come until July.
 
Don't care what OCuk prices them at, but if they purposely try price gouge (ie its significantly cheaper else where) then I will just go else where instead :P

Im not made of money so if i can save 20-30 quid by going to a competitor so be it.
 
kylew said:
The shortage is why they've held them back though isn't it? So they can get some more produced come release day. I'm also talking outside of shortage price bumps and price gouging. They'll most probably have decent supply once they announce them for shipping/release anyway.
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Might be to give the 4850 a bit more promotion that it normally would have received...

Might be that the 4870 isn't all that big an upgrade from the 4850 and they're trying to build hype by keeping it back a bit...

Who knows. ;)
 
Tom|Nbk said:
Exactly Kyle is a bit special I think. Everyone else seems to 'get it' yet he's struggling.
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'Special' indeed, you've got your head up your backside as if you're some sort of ATi official just because you're in the beta program. :rolleyes:

The way you used to go on, rabidly defending the 2900s saying they were very fast and whatnot, then jumping ship to an 8800GTX to then say the 2900 was crap, I don't know why anyone here takes anything you say as worthwhile anyway.

Regardless of your stupid insults, I'm not the only one saying this. Just because what I'm saying doesn't flow with what you, or the 'general' impression is, doesn't mean that I'm mentally challenged. Very low way of trying to insult me there. I'm actually not struggling with anything, you're the one who keeps coming back with your make believe pricing scheme ( I dunno, maybe you do actually think you're some sort of ATi official?).
 
kylew said:
'Special' indeed, you've got your head up your backside as if you're some sort of ATi official just because you're in the beta program. :rolleyes:
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What's that got to do with the pricing of the cards?

kylew said:
The way you used to go on, rabidly defending the 2900s saying they were very fast and whatnot, then jumping ship to an 8800GTX to then say the 2900 was crap, I don't know why anyone here takes anything you say as worthwhile anyway.
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Again what's that got to do with the pricing of the 4870?

I've never said the 2900 was crap. It had its flaws no one can deny that but it was hardly crap, it was the start of an architecture obviously not a bed of roses but it did well against what it was up against at the time.

For the last time I don't give a hoot what ATi promise or state. Price gouging will go on over the next few weeks with certain retailers. It's got nothing to do with how ATi price them the retailers have the final say in what they want for the cards. Everyone seems to agree with what I've said but you?

For the record I don't know who you are to come shouting your mouth off I've contributed far more to this forum than you ever have.
 
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From what i've read/searched for, AMD wanted as many produced and ready to sell at a set time

They extended the NDA time-limit whatever you wanna call it so to try to get as many out ready to be sold

But as different vendors started to leak prices/info etc they gave in and re-brought forward the launching/s (4850)

I guess they didn't want to be associated with ripping people off on the launch, Which makes sense when they did hold back on launching for some time

Nvidia tried to beat ati launch and did so, As it appears not too successfully imho

Now AMD don't want to cause a similar occurance and seem to be trying to supply all vendors with enough to try and cope to keep prices decent thus enticing more people to buy from initial launch

If they do get more of a volume shipped ready to launch, I would guess imho they will sell more as people feel they're more of a deal and are not getting overly charged for a new card/s

My 2p, If i could sell at a lesser profit but way higher numbers i would do so, As this in the long run to me seems to be a better/larger earner

(look at the gtx 200 series costs, Too rich for me at a glance for the improvement you get)

Roll on releases

Ciao

Def
 
Tom|Nbk said:
What's that got to do with the pricing of the cards?



Again what's that got to do with the pricing of the 4870?

I've never said the 2900 was crap. It had its flaws no one can deny that but it was hardly crap, it was the start of an architecture obviously not a bed of roses but it did well against what it was up against at the time.
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Since you say that, what's it got to do with you too?

You're using your opinion to make up the prices of the 4870s. I'm not actually using my opinion, then saying my 'experience' backs it up as you are. Your experience doesn't back it up, you just like to think it does.

I'm using information from what we can see, and what has happened with the latest releases.

I don't understand why, with what we have recently seen, you still continue to insist the price is going to be completely different to what we've already seen.

It doesn't make any sense why you're so insistent on it. Maybe there will be shortages and a price bump due to that, but that's not what you were initially saying anyway.
 
Defiance_co said:
My 2p, If i could sell at a lesser profit but way higher numbers i would do so, As this in the long run to me seems to be a better/larger earner
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It's a good way to sell but most retailers won't have this luxury with the 4870 it's already in short supply thanks to the GDDR5. There will be short numbers of the 4870 initially this will get better over the weeks and prices will reflect as they will drop.
 
well they released 1 gig of 4850 they will 4870 probably cost u bit more.

Ps: that offer is killer very interesting game that i dont have tempted to buy a card play a game with it sell tha card the same price in a week or so and just keep a game for my self :D
 
kylew said:
Your experience doesn't back it up, you just like to think it does. .
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It does, ATi charged over £300 for the 1GB 2900's at a time when there were better cards out and that was GDDR4

I'd not be surprised if they charged slightly under that this time around since the 4870s are in short supply already and due to the fact ATi won't produce as much as the 512MB because only certain board partners ever pick up on the 1GB cards at least that has been the case with 1GB ATi cards thus far.

and yes I have always initially said that price gouging will occur and the reason for the high prices I've stated since new launches of a hyped high end product generally means price gouging for the retailers who can't get the big numbers in.
 
Defiance_co said:
From what i've read/searched for, AMD wanted as many produced and ready to sell at a set time

They extended the NDA time-limit whatever you wanna call it so to try to get as many out ready to be sold

But as different vendors started to leak prices/info etc they gave in and re-brought forward the launching/s (4850)

I guess they didn't want to be associated with ripping people off on the launch, Which makes sense when they did hold back on launching for some time

Nvidia tried to beat ati launch and did so, As it appears not too successfully imho

Now AMD don't want to cause a similar occurance and seem to be trying to supply all vendors with enough to try and cope to keep prices decent thus enticing more people to buy from initial launch

If they do get more of a volume shipped ready to launch, I would guess imho they will sell more as people feel they're more of a deal and are not getting overly charged for a new card/s

My 2p, If i could sell at a lesser profit but way higher numbers i would do so, As this in the long run to me seems to be a better/larger earner

(look at the gtx 200 series costs, Too rich for me at a glance for the improvement you get)

Roll on releases

Ciao

Def
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Thank you def, this is my thinking behind it completely.

It's like OCUK's price gouging, they know that people who are desperate to have a certain graphics card, will buy it at an artificially inflated price, so they do just that, but what I don't get is that they must surely know that they'll sell many more by selling for less profit, but at a much higher volume.

They must know that they aren't going to get as many customers by pricing their cards at 20% higher than what they should be at.

As for ATi, their 3800s done pretty well, I don't understand why they would risk the volume of sales of the 4800s by increasing the price up to unrealistic levels when they need all the sales they can get for both themselves and AMD. It's a time where they need volume over absolute profit per individual part.
 
Tom|Nbk said:
It does, ATi charged over £300 for the 1GB 2900's at a time when there were better cards out and that was GDDR4

I'd not be surprised if they charged slightly under that this time around since the 4870s are in short supply already and due to the fact ATi won't produce as much as the 512MB because only certain board partners ever pick up on the 1GB cards at least that has been the case with 1GB ATi cards thus far.

and yes I have always initially said that price gouging will occur and the reason for the high prices I've stated since new launches of a hyped high end product generally means price gouging for the retailers who can't get the big numbers in.
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I completely understand what you mean there, as for the 1GB 2900s, yeah, they were expensive, the 2900s were expensive on both 512MB and 1GBs.

But by comparison, the 3800s were very cheap, they changed that by selling for almost half price, with slighlty more speed and halfed power requirements.

It's kind of how NV are now, they're stuck with a large GPU, that sucks power and is expensive to produce, they have no choice but to charge high prices for them.

I still think that the 3800s are what the 2900s were initially planned to be, but time was getting on while ATi had nothing out yet, so they had to release their latest GPU but on a higher process that they had more sucess with. Once they perfected the 55nm, they released the 3800s straight away.
 
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