AMD Vs. Nvidia Image Quality - Old man yells at cloud

Rroff · 21 Feb 2019 at 18:26

shankly1985 said:
Switch to RGB full and you will. Its a fact! Its not just me sitting here saying this! Its an actual fact that limited PC range = washed out image. Set it to PC Full range "Its called that for a reason" and calibrate the display for its best possible image.

I dunno where this idea got around that a lot of people have limited range RGB running - it is only edge cases and certain displays (mostly TVs or identify like a TV) where that happens - most people will already be on full RGB.

shankly1985 · 21 Feb 2019 at 18:28

Rroff said:
I dunno where this idea got around that a lot of people have limited range RGB running - it is only edge cases and certain displays (mostly TVs or identify like a TV) where that happens - most people will already be on full RGB.

Its actually monitors also and monitors connected by HDMI. DisplayPort is not an issue that has always defaulted to full range on both Nvidia and AMD.

Rroff · 21 Feb 2019 at 18:29

shankly1985 said:
Its actually monitors also and monitors connected by HDMI. DisplayPort is not an issue that has always defaulted to full range on both Nvidia and AMD.

Even on HDMI generally monitors will already be running full RGB - seems a couple of YouTubers decided it is a more common thing and suddenly everyone is going with it.

shankly1985 · 21 Feb 2019 at 18:35

Rroff said:
Even on HDMI generally monitors will already be running full RGB - seems a couple of YouTubers decided it is a more common thing and suddenly everyone is going with it.

It really doesn't Nvidia didn't even have the option for Full range till recently. Its always default to full range on AMD both HDMI or DisplayPort.

Nvidia default is limited RGB even still to this day it must be changed.

Not watched all this video yet but even they say almost all there monitors default to limited RGB range.

Rroff · 21 Feb 2019 at 18:48

shankly1985 said:
It really doesn't Nvidia didn't even have the option for Full range till recently. Its always default to full range on AMD both HDMI or DisplayPort.

Nvidia default is limited RGB even still to this day it must be changed.

Not watched all this video yet but even they say almost all there monitors default to limited RGB range.

I mean there have been some issues with it - some displays over HDMI you need to select the range on the OSD itself before it would work with full range but a lot of the information in that and similar videos that have cropped up on it aren't entirely correct - on a lot of monitors via HDMI it works by default in full though not all and TVs are a mixed bag often defaulting to limited and sometimes unable to get full without some advanced tweaks if the OSD didn't expose an option for it.

Martini1991 · 21 Feb 2019 at 19:11

shankly1985 said:
Switch to RGB full and you will. Its a fact! Its not just me sitting here saying this! Its an actual fact that limited PC range = washed out image. Set it to PC Full range "Its called that for a reason" and calibrate the display for its best possible image.

Go on Youtube and look at the countless video and tell me Limited RGB looks better LOL

Why would I use limited rgb?

james.miller · 21 Feb 2019 at 19:19

Martini1991 said:
Mobile lol.

Hasn't been the case for years

james.miller · 21 Feb 2019 at 19:21

Rroff said:
Even on HDMI generally monitors will already be running full RGB - seems a couple of YouTubers decided it is a more common thing and suddenly everyone is going with it.

Nope, it's been an issue for years and not just TVs but monitors too. Every time I upgrade windows, every time uninstall the latest drivers, it defaults back to limited. And this is on a 21:9 ultrawide. I don't know why you think this is a recent thing - it isn't.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/27369301/

2014 that thread was created, and you posted in it Rroff ...

shankly1985 · 21 Feb 2019 at 19:23

Martini1991 said:
Why would I use limited rgb?

Dont know, you need to ask yourself why you see no issue.

Rroff · 21 Feb 2019 at 19:32

james.miller said:
Nope, it's been an issue for years and not just TVs but monitors too. Every time I upgrade windows, every time uninstall the latest drivers, it defaults back to limited. And this is on a 21:9 ultrawide. I don't know why you think this is a recent thing - it isn't.

I don't recall where I said this was a recent thing? I've built loads of systems with HDMI monitors where this hasn't been a problem at all as well as others where getting full RGB is a pain and sometimes needed registry tweaks before they added the more recent full range options. Based on my experience I haven't seen behaviour that is as simple as HDMI was always limited range RGB by default - it depended how the display was identified (usually you got the Video & Television section appear if it defaulted to limited).

There was a period around when Windows 10 was launched where the settings disappeared an all video output was forced to limited range RGB but that was solved more recently. (I think since they sorted that it has always defaulted to limited on Windows 10?).

My 21:9 U2913WM has always defaulted to full range RGB on HDMI except on some integrated Intel GPUs where it can take a bit of faffing around to get full range for some reason.

Martini1991 · 21 Feb 2019 at 19:57

james.miller said:
Hasn't been the case for years

It's a good thing I didn't state a time period then

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Rroff · 21 Feb 2019 at 20:02

james.miller said:
2014 that thread was created, and you posted in it Rroff ...

See my reply in that thread:

Rroff said:
Its been possible to work around it for ages and doesn't effect most displays and/or a good number you can change it from the monitor OSD anyhow i.e. many Dells. There are some fringe cases where it happens with DP but 99% of DP setups are unaffected by it. HDMI displays that are seen as TVs are affected by it. In most cases you can just use DVI or DP if you can't manage to work around it other ways.

Most people would know if they were affected by it as it really doesn't look right at all, whites often look dusty, blacks are heavily crushed, etc.

Though I was a little wrong in the reply - blacks look crushed if it defaults to YCbCr, washed out with limited RGB.

bru · 21 Feb 2019 at 20:54

Well at least changing the setting in the NVIDIA driver to use full RGB doesn't invalidate your warranty.

esoteric · 21 Feb 2019 at 21:31

Colour banding and posterization using Full colours with an nvidia GPU on TN panel is awful, absolutely awful. For that reason I use Limited.

~>Dg<~ · 22 Feb 2019 at 07:49

i mainly use nvidia cards but you can tell out the box amd have better colours generally over nvidia. nvidia are often softer less colourful compared to amd which are more sharp and colourful.

Nasher · 22 Feb 2019 at 08:07

esoteric said:
Colour banding and posterization using Full colours with an nvidia GPU on TN panel is awful, absolutely awful. For that reason I use Limited.

More colours should REDUCE that. There is something else wrong if it's making it worse.

I need to get my 970 out of the attic and compare.

james.miller · 22 Feb 2019 at 09:47

Rroff said:
See my reply in that thread:

Though I was a little wrong in the reply - blacks look crushed if it defaults to YCbCr, washed out with limited RGB.

Yes, a problem for years. And it's still a problem. If your point is that it took some YouTubers to make people sit up and listen then...good? But, very clearly, it's been a problem for a long time now and most of us including you knew it. Don't need no YouTubers to point that out to me

4K8KW10 · 22 Feb 2019 at 18:13

Nasher · 22 Feb 2019 at 19:25

Very clearly less texture clarity on the 2060 image. Also some kind of distant fogging effect is missing.

Probably the reason for the higher FPS. Lower quality = higher FPS.

shankly1985 · 22 Feb 2019 at 19:42

4K8KW10 said:

Probably the best image you have shown so far and I can see a difference in texture quality.