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AMD what you doing to fight off Alderlake?

Grim5 said:
AMD needs to do something at the low end.

like Steve at hub said, he will now not recommend any ryzen 5000 CPU under the 5900x to anyone who is building a new system or needing a new motherboard. Especially for the 5600x which he says he will never recommend anyone until it's $200.
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That seems odd. The 12600K is not 50% faster in gaming or productivity so $200 seems well under the price/perf curve.

Also a 5800X + decent B550 is about the same as a 12600K + decent Z690 and there the gaming is a slight advantage for the Intel machine but the 5800X is a bit ahead in productivity on average.

I could understand that position when B660 and the 12400 is available but until that will be about the time Zen 3d is out so AMD may very well drop the 5600X to near $200.

If AMD really wanted to get aggressive in the DIY market they could make an 8c V-Cache part and sell it as a 6600X for $350 and they could make the 6800X the 12c V-Cache part for $500. I don't think they will do that but it is an option if supply is good enough.
 
timorous said:
That seems odd. The 12600K is not 50% faster in gaming or productivity so $200 seems well under the price/perf curve.

Also a 5800X + decent B550 is about the same as a 12600K + decent Z690 and there the gaming is a slight advantage for the Intel machine but the 5800X is a bit ahead in productivity on average.
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12600k edges out the 5800x for £300, to compete the 5800x needs to be £300, where does that leave the 5600x ?

This is a good thing ! Can't wait to get my 5800 xt for £300 !!
 
timorous said:
That seems odd. The 12600K is not 50% faster in gaming or productivity so $200 seems well under the price/perf curve.

Also a 5800X + decent B550 is about the same as a 12600K + decent Z690 and there the gaming is a slight advantage for the Intel machine but the 5800X is a bit ahead in productivity on average.
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The 5600X was never good value even before ADL released as the 11400F offered far better price to performance at around $170 so you were already paying 70% more for just 10% extra performance which frankly is even above Intel levels of rip off but unfortunately consumers were hoodwinked in a similar way to how they were with Intel in the past.

Why go for a 5800X + B550 over a 12600k + Z690 even if they are the same price / performance as you're getting a board with more features + lanes and an upgrade path on the socket which is rumoured to last 3 generations.
 
Grim5 said:
AMD needs to do something at the low end.

like Steve at hub said, he will now not recommend any ryzen 5000 CPU under the 5900x to anyone who is building a new system or needing a new motherboard. Especially for the 5600x which he says he will never recommend anyone until it's $200.
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Depending on how much it costs AMD to get one of these chips to sold in to the supply chain the margins are not great, AMD can't supply enough of them to supply the market so they are going to gear what they can produce to higher end stuff.

HUB making these sort of ridiculous statements is going to fall on death ears, If AMD could make an over abundance of CPU's they would sell in to every market segment at every price point, AMD are not ignoring the Sub £200 market for some nefarious reasons, any and every CPU they sell in to any and every segment is money in AMD's pocket, they can't make enough to do that, that's all it is.

Steve with his stupid ultimatums at AMD is utterly irrelevant.
 
Joxeon said:
The 5600X was never good value even before ADL released as the 11400F offered far better price to performance at around $170 so you were already paying 70% more for just 10% extra performance which frankly is even above Intel levels of rip off but unfortunately consumers were hoodwinked in a similar way to how they were with Intel in the past.

Why go for a 5800X + B550 over a 12600k + Z690 even if they are the same price / performance as you're getting a board with more features + lanes and an upgrade path on the socket which is rumoured to last 3 generations.
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Because AM4 is the better platform. Definitely the better DDR4 platform.

Grim5 said:
AMD needs to do something at the low end.

like Steve at hub said, he will now not recommend any ryzen 5000 CPU under the 5900x to anyone who is building a new system or needing a new motherboard. Especially for the 5600x which he says he will never recommend anyone until it's $200.
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Like the 5600G?
 
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jigger said:
You said your upgrade from a 3600 to a 5800X was barely any better. You might be better off not commenting TBH.

The 5600G is impressive.
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It wasn't much better when gaming at 1440p, 10% at best but often no difference, maybe because I had 1-1 Fclk +3800/14 bdie so for the £400 I paid at the time the 5800X was incredibly poor VFM when compared to the £650 I paid for my 3080 which improved gaming performance over the 1070ti I had before by 120%.

The only saving grace was I managed to sell my 3600 for £210 which was actually £20 more than I paid for it after 18 months use due to the chip shortage at the time.
 
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Joxeon said:
It wasn't much better when gaming at 1440p, 10% at best but often no difference so for the £400 I paid at the time the 5800X was in incredibly poor VFM when compared to the £650 I paid for my 3080 which improved gaming performance over the 1070ti I had before by 120%.
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Simply not true.
 
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Joxeon said:
It wasn't much better when gaming at 1440p, 10% at best but often no difference, maybe because I had 1-1 Fclk so for the £400 I paid at the time the 5800X was incredibly poor VFM when compared to the £650 I paid for my 3080 which improved gaming performance over the 1070ti I had before by 120%.
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Can you bake lighting in Unreal Engine with your GPU?
 
@TrixP10 - I meant that most generally buy 6-8 core CPUs these days (check steam hardware surveys), not that they will buy Alder Lake CPUs. AMD will do fine, especially if they drop Zen 3 prices. Early next year, they've got Zen 3 + extra cache models coming too.
 
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Joxeon said:
I have the benchmarks taken before and after the swap which I'm sure you have seen before.
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But you have proven yourself to hate AMD to the point you become irrational.

In your mind a 5800X is barely any better than a 3600X and terrible value for money yet you went out and bought one. We get it you see the world differently to everyone else. You are a special snow flake.
 
jigger said:
But you have proven yourself to hate AMD to the point you become irrational.

In your mind a 5800X is barely any better than a 3600X and terrible value for money yet you went out and bought one. We get it you see the world differently to everyone else. You are a special snow flake.
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I dont hate AMD at all, I just think zen 3 was poor value for money and especially if upgrading from Zen 2.
 
jigger said:
Your post count over time is way higher than mine.

Maybe you should ask Joxen is he obsessed with spam.
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You always have to be right yet never seem to back up your views up with anything of substance and instead start throwing out insults to anyone who disagrees.
 
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