Do you have a source confirming that you won't be able to upgrade?
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AMD what you doing to fight off Alderlake?
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The reason why ADL is a hybrid solution is because ddr5 is very expensive and not that available, simple as that. With Raptor Lake situtation with ddr5 will be much better, and they won't have reason to create hybrid memory controller again. So if Raptor Lake is ddr5 only, you will need ddr5 motherboard, or i'm missing something?
edit: i google a bit, and every leak shows Raptor Lake will be ddr5, while ADL ddr4/ddr5, and today we know that ADL part is true, and using logic there is no reason for Intel to make compromise solution again with another generation because as i said, situation with ddr5 will be much better, and they will create full ddr5 memory controller that support every gear mode and max speed.
Raptor lake will be very similar in design over Alderlake so it would make sense to keep the same memory controller and DDR4 support as that will also give it a cost advantage against Zen 4 which will be DDR5 only and a very expensive platform when first released.
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VideoCardZ tweeted 12400F $249 and 12400 $287
The days of $150 ##400 Series CPU's gone?
The days of $150 ##400 Series CPU's gone?
I don't think so, as i said, Intel used hybrid memory controller because currently ddr5 is very expensive and offer no performance advantage, and hybrid solution have compromises. When Raptor Lake releases ddr5 will be much cheaper and better so no reason to use hybrid solution, im still searching for Raptor Lake leaks and in every leak specification it says Raptor Lake: ddr5, while Alder Lake: ddr4/ddr5.
Raptor Lake-S supports DDR5-5600 only. And will be up to 8-core/16-thread with 16 small cores. Launch by end of next year.
HWiNFO gets preliminary Intel 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" support - VideoCardz.com
HWiNFO gets preliminary Intel 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" support - VideoCardz.com
I doubt that will be the final pricing as there would be little point to buy these over the 12600K / KF especially considering the performance defecit they will have in ST and especially MT with the loss of the E cores.
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They're not 'slow'.
As i said, if you go for ddr4 combination you won't be able to upgrade, and buying new motherboard and memory is costly, but if you go for ddr5 combination you will massive overpay for current slow ddr5 that isn't faster than good ddr4, and also performance/price ratio goes down badly. I think the best decision is to wait for Raptor Lake or Zen 4 cuz ddr5 will be better by that time, and also software optimization, not to mention full ddr5 memory controller that doesn't have compromises.
Yeah, these double standard RAM transitions in hybrid products typically last only one generation.
I wouldn't expect a perfect DDR5 compatibility in AMD's Zen 4, though. AMD has always showed that it has problems in the first generation of a given memory type implementation.
Maybe AMD will be ready with its DDR5 support by the end of 2023.
the 12400 is $200 in Canada
AM5 due Q3 2022
Any word on AMD dropping prices yet for AM4 CPUs?
5800x price dropped in USA
It depends on how DDR5 pricing is by the end of next year. If it still costs 3 times as much as DDR4, I can’t see Intel dropping DDR4 for Raptor Lake as it’s a major competitive advantage over AM5 which will be ddr5 only.
I was contemplating between a 5900X and a 12700K with DDR4 and went with Intel for just this reason. AM4 is a confirmed dead end after Ryzen 3D. With LGA 1700 and DDR4, there is still a possibility that raptor lake will be compatible. So spending a little bit extra and going for Intel makes more sense.