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AMD what you doing to fight off Alderlake?

RSR said:
Alderlake is just the start, Meteor Lake / Luna Lake are going to be the real heavy hitters.

3D vCache will help with interim refresh but I can also AMD also going Big.Little,which we may have seen the first signs of the with the introduction of Bergamo.
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I don’t think so TBH. The next 5 years are going to get pretty rough for Intel in the CPU market.
 
humbug said:
Stopgaps is all Intel seem to be churning out over the last few years while AMD sit back half trying, not even that, they are half asleep accidentally dropping class leading CPU's everything they take a long yawn.

Intel's mind share is half crushed, If AMD actually tried they could end it once and for all with Zen 4, just do it AMD, set the bar so high it will make Pat 'Leadership' Gelsinger hang himself with the nearest Cat 5 cable.
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Yeah lets yeah let's all hope Intel go bust so we can have an AMD monopoly and CPUs with an extra 5% performance released every year for 20% higher costs.
 
Intel have been investing heavily to bring competitive fabs on line. If you look at when Intel’s fabs should be ready, what others are expecting to have and Intel’s road maps that brings us to Nova Lake towards the end of 2025.

Caveats. Intel can actually deliver a functional bleeding edge fab. Intel’s decision to drop its 3D development doesn’t come back to bite them. Intel can stick to its planned roadmap.
 
Joxeon said:
Yeah lets yeah let's all hope Intel go bust so we can have an AMD monopoly and CPUs with an extra 5% performance released every year for 20% higher costs.
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Not bust. Brink of ruin maybe. But seriously don’t worry about Intel, they are about to murder Nvidia and push them out of the big money markets. By 2030 Intel will be swimming in money.
 
jigger said:
Around Nova lake should be where Intel start to make up lost ground in the CPU market. The strategy is to use this time to build up its graphics business.
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Intel needs time to work on Nova lake, it's not ready anyway - looks like Intel still has to launch 13th, 14th and 15th gen - unless they skip some of these


Nova Lake, built on Intel 3:

"In 2025 we have Nova Lake CPUs which brings forth a brand new ground up architecture known as Panther Cove and Darkmont to the table. It is rumored to be the biggest architectural up lift in Intel's history, even bigger than the Core architecture itself which was introduced all the way back in 2006. The CPU performance improvement is targeting 50%+ IPC over 2024's 15th Gen chips"

 
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jigger said:
Not bust. Brink of ruin maybe. But seriously don’t worry about Intel, they are about to murder Nvidia and push them out of the big money markets. By 2030 Intel will be swimming in money.
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Murder Nvidia with their abysmal driver support and RTX 3070 class performance when it’s about to go EOL? Not happening.
 
Grim5 said:
AMD needs to do something at the low end.

like Steve at hub said, he will now not recommend any ryzen 5000 CPU under the 5900x to anyone who is building a new system or needing a new motherboard. Especially for the 5600x which he says he will never recommend anyone until it's $200.
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What's the best budget buy now? As in what has taken over from the 5600X?
 
Joxeon said:
11400F has held that spot for a while now and no doubt the 12400F will once it's released.
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Isn't power draw and heat a concern on these new CPUs? The way I understand it is they are packing so much in at bigger manufacturing process size that power consumption and heat is an issue. Obviously it should be more efficient when not being used and idling but when it's being pushed hard and background processes are using the small cores it could become very hot and consume a lot of leccy.

I won't be upgrading for a while now but when I do I'll likely want a 65W tdp chip
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Isn't power draw and heat a concern on these new CPUs? The way I understand it is they are packing so much in at bigger manufacturing process size that power consumption and heat is an issue. Obviously it should be more efficient when not being used and idling but when it's being pushed hard and background processes are using the small cores it could become very hot and consume a lot of leccy.

I won't be upgrading for a while now but when I do I'll likely want a 65W tdp chip
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Only an issue on the top 12900k the rest run pretty reasonably for temps and the non K parts will will use even less when those arrive.
 
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