AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[lltfdaniel]

https://wccftech.com/amd-ces-2019-keynote-live-event-watch-here/
Watch The AMD CES 2019 Press Event & CEO Lisa Su’s Opening Keynote Live Here

Yep well here is a direct link to the live stream below.

https://youtu.be/bibZyMjY2K4

 

[Deleted member 209350]

If the release date for at least some of the 3000 chips are in jan, i'll be a VERY happy man!

3600 + b550 board here we go

 

[subbytna]

If it is possible to salvage a Vega 20 die before it has HBM strapped to it, I guess there's no harm in doing a limited edition run of gaming cards to recoup some losses. But I just can't see a Vega 20 being any good for gaming, it's a Vega 10 with more datacenter compute stuff added and then shrunk to 7nm.

Did you post this somewhere else as I'm sure I've read that highlighted bit before?

 

[4K8KW10]

1.25X performance at the same power from the 7nm shrink still wouldn't reach the 2080/1080 Ti, would it?

Vega 10 the GPU needs 38% more performance to equal RTX 2080, and 57% more performance to equal RTX 2080Ti.
25% more performance would come only from the higher frequencies. If they add more CUs and tweak the architecture, these 25% can go to 2X the performance, etc.

 

[Tinders]

Is the new line of chips likely to affect prices of lower end chips? im looking to upgrade and a Ryzen 5 will be adequate for my limited gaming needs, i dont mind holding off for a month if the prices of the lower end chips will drop in a big way.

 

[Potatowithearsontheside]

So. Here is the rub. Im buying a consumer Ryzen 3000 IF it is (minimum) 4.5Ghz and 8c/16t

Chances of this?

You're not going to see a 4.5GHz base clock from anyone, so I hope that is an ACT speed that you're after.
My own predictions are for 4.6GHz ACT on the 8c+ SKUs.

 

[LePhuronn]

Did you post this somewhere else as I'm sure I've read that highlighted bit before?

I've said similar before, yes. Originally I always thought you could just salvage a Vega 20 package for a gaming card and believed we'd get one. It was then pointed out to me that if anything goes wrong with the HBM stacking then the entire thing was borked, so AMD would have to explicitly take Vega 20 dies first and stack them with 8GB HBM, not 16 or 32, so I changed my mind about a 7nm Vega gaming card.

That belief was reaffirmed by both the leaked RX 3080 performance being the same as what a Vega 20 could do in gaming (i.e. Vega 64 + 15%), the dubious Final Fantasy benchmark which showed a Vega 20 Instinct performing identically to a RX Vega 64, and AdoredTV's sources saying "we did start one, but we cancelled it. Plus we've seen a Big Navi running and it's immense".

But then the talk started back up again, the Vega II logo came out so I have no idea and gone back to saying it's possible a faulty Vega 20 die could be salvaged before HBM is strapped it it.

So yeah, I've said it before and now just sitting hard on the fence

 

[humbug]

So. Here is the rub. Im buying a consumer Ryzen 3000 IF it is (minimum) 4.5Ghz and 8c/16t

Chances of this?

Pretty high i'd say, thats only marginally better than what you can get now.

These overclock to 4.3 https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3ac-am.html

 

[4K8KW10]

I've said similar before, yes. Originally I always thought you could just salvage a Vega 20 package for a gaming card and believed we'd get one. It was then pointed out to me that if anything goes wrong with the HBM stacking then the entire thing was borked, so AMD would have to explicitly take Vega 20 dies first and stack them with 8GB HBM, not 16 or 32, so I changed my mind about a 7nm Vega gaming card. That belief was reaffirmed by both the leaked RX 3080 performance being the same as what a Vega 20 could do in gaming (i.e. Vega 64 + 15%), the dubious Final Fantasy benchmark which showed a Vega 20 performing identically to a Vega 64, and AdoredTV's sources saying "we did start one, but we cancelled it. Plus we've seen a Big Navi running and it's immense".

Probably not.



https://wccftech.com/amd-7nm-vega-20-32gb-gpu-3dmark-benchmark-leaked-up-to/

Also, the leak in the FF benchmark was with an early engineering sample. https://wccftech.com/amds-vega-20-gpu-early-engineering-sample-benchmarked-in-final-fantasy-xv/

 

[Mercutio]

Thanks for the link, the fanboi in me is going crazy for Lisa

Do you need a box of tissues?

 

[LePhuronn]

If they add more CUs and tweak the architecture, these 25% can go to 2X the performance, etc.

Which would imply that AMD would make explicit changes to Vega 20 in order to produce a gaming card, something I don't see happening with Navi landing in about 9 months and Arcturus slated for next year. I don't think AMD have the money to invest into such a stop-gap product.

 

[Mercutio]

That's not coming any time soon, I fear. Even if Vega II is a gaming card, I doubt it'll close down too much on the 2080 and 2080 Ti. If the hint at Big Navi is true (and it's possible the leak saw Vega II running, not a Big Navi) then it'll be a short term proposition because Arcturus coming in 2020.

Realistically I think we need to see what Arcturus can do before we can start willing AMD back to the top of GPUs.

Vega 64 water edition is already *slightly* ahead of 1080 non-ti.
I don't see why a vega 2 with just a die-shrink can't catch 1080ti/2080.
2080ti.... eh, we'll see.

 

[LePhuronn]

Well, I missed that April leak 4K8K. Certainly adds to the fence sitting.

 

[LePhuronn]

If the release date for at least some of the 3000 chips are in jan, i'll be a VERY happy man!

Then it's incredibly likely you'll be a very sad man even with the opportunities presented by Intel right now, I still can't see Ryzen 3000 coming sooner than March/April as it's always done.

 

[humbug]

Probably not.



https://wccftech.com/amd-7nm-vega-20-32gb-gpu-3dmark-benchmark-leaked-up-to/

Also, the leak in the FF benchmark was with an early engineering sample. https://wccftech.com/amds-vega-20-gpu-early-engineering-sample-benchmarked-in-final-fantasy-xv/

If these are early engineering samples and the clock speed is accurate they look pretty bloody good, they are knocking out the same performance as a Vega 64 at 750Mhz lower core clock.

 

[Mercutio]

Then it's incredibly likely you'll be a very sad man even with the opportunities presented by Intel right now, I still can't see Ryzen 3000 coming sooner than March/April as it's always done.

I was hoping for pre-brexit but yeah, seems the normal "late April" is going to be happening again.

 

[Hagar]

I was hoping for pre-brexit but yeah, seems the normal "late April" is going to be happening again.

Well my ~£2k HMRC gift token will have landed by then, so my 1 will go to 3. Trusting that the C6H will get bios support that is.

 

[beany_bot]

I can handle April for actually having the product in my hands (assuming the new mobos are out at the same time).

 

[andy_mk3]

I can handle April for actually having the product in my hands (assuming the new mobos are out at the same time).

Me too yeah. Can hopefully have enough cash saved to have an almost completely new built apart from PSU and GPU for me then

 

[Mercutio]

Me too yeah. Can hopefully have enough cash saved to have an almost completely new built apart from PSU and GPU for me then

true.... Im unsure if 3700X @ 5ghz or waiting till 1st May for the 3850X @ 5.1ghz is the way forward. Will be grabbing the best X570 board I can lay hands on though, sod having anything short of a flagship this time.

Edit: that said, I bet 1st May is 3850x announcement rather than release