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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

Mercutio said:
...that said, I bet 1st May is 3850x announcement rather than release :(
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This is what I'm anticipating. May 1st is AMD's anniversary, so the 3850X will be announced on that day, but I'd be confident in saying they'd want to tie its release with the new X570 boards so you have all the top-end shiny at the same time. The leaked Gigabyte slide stated X570 is launching at Computex, which is the end of May. May is still the anniversary month though, so it still works.

That being said though, the Gigabyte slide said "Matisse" is an "all PCIe Gen4 solution" so we'd need new boards to full support it, but I can't quite see AMD wanting a few month gap between Ryzen 3000 landing and actually being able to use it to its fullest (although we'd need PCI-E 4 cards too). I personally think that Gigabyte slide is quite old now (pre June 2018) so it's nice to think the board release has been moved forward, rather than Ryzen 3000 release is May/June.
 
Distracted said:
Is everyone expecting the Zen 2 product announcement today?
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I'm expecting Ryzen 3000 to be named specifically as part of the larger 2019 discussion, possibly even the designations of the top couple of SKUs, with something in an AM4 package held in Lisa's hand. Confirmation of core counts, clocks and TDP however will be done in a post-keynote press release (like Intel did with the new 9 series SKUs) or at one of the booths AMD have on the event floor.

I'd also love for her to hold up a Navi card (without woodscrews) too. No details required, but simply along the lines of "our 2019 journey also includes new commitment to the gaming market, starting with Navi later this year (holds up a Navi card)". It's just a confirmation that Navi is a tangible thing that will be coming.
 
LePhuronn said:
I'm expecting Ryzen 3000 to be named specifically as part of the larger 2019 discussion, possibly even the designations of the top couple of SKUs, with something in an AM4 package held in Lisa's hand. Confirmation of core counts, clocks and TDP however will be done in a post-keynote press release (like Intel did with the new 9 series SKUs) or at one of the booths AMD have on the event floor.
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I expect core counts to make an appearance. But not clocks.
 
beany_bot said:
I expect core counts to make an appearance. But not clocks.
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Perhaps in a sweeping statement of "Ryzen 3000 product stack ranges from 6 to 16 cores", but you can't really say how those core counts break down without listing the 4 Ryzen categories which I don't think is happening in the keynote itself.

Plus, try saying "Ryzen 3 will have 6 cores, Ryzen 5 has 8 cores, Ryzen 7 has 12 cores, with the new Ryzen 9 SKUs topping out at 16 cores" in a remotely entertaining and non-clunky way in what's supposed to be a slick marketing presentation :p
 
So, is Q2 the expected date that we'll be able to own a Ryzen 3XXX?

I'm all in for a flagship Ryzen 3XXX and a top end X570 motherboard. If the motherboards aren't out for a while then it'll cause me to stall.
 
X470 mobo's will be able to handle a 3000 series chip right? and handle it well im hoping
 
Praz94 said:
X470 mobo's will be able to handle a 3000 series chip right? and handle it well im hoping
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I don't see why not, 'if' they are doubling the core count there might be an argument for not, on mid to lower end boards sure but for the higher end X470's they have 8, 10, 12 phase VRMs you could run an overclocked 7900X on them, and they are 7nm.

Lower and mid range Ryzen 3000 should be fine on lower and mid range 400 series boards.
 
Martini1991 said:
So, is Q2 the expected date that we'll be able to own a Ryzen 3XXX?
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Nothing's confirmed, but if Ryzen 1K was announced December and release March, Ryzen 2K was announced CES and released April (a bit of delay actually), it's entirely possible Ryzen 3K will follow suit. There is talk about TSMC going full-on with EPYC production first and foremost, so that may mean Ryzen has to wait, but if Ryzen 3K doesn't use the same chiplet+I/O die configuration as EPYC then it'll have a different manufacturing process, and I can't see TSMC or AMD waiting to fire that up until EPYC has reached saturation.

Martini1991 said:
I'm all in for a flagship Ryzen 3XXX and a top end X570 motherboard. If the motherboards aren't out for a while then it'll cause me to stall.
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That one we have no idea about. I've certainly not seen anything that contradicts the Gigabyte slide saying "X570 at Computex", but I've theorised that slide is no newer than June last year so plans could have changed and things brought forward. It certainly seems a bit daft to have shiny Ryzen "now" but wait for new boards "later", because that'll potentially eat into X570 sales by people jumping on a hefty 400 series board "now".

Have any vendors shown any new boards at CES? The only things I've seen are Asus announcing Alpha and Omega versions of the Zenith and Rampage VI, and that ridiculous Dominus Extreme floating around a couple of show builds.
 
humbug said:
I don't see why not, 'if' they are doubling the core count there might be an argument for not, on mid to lower end boards sure but for the higher end X470's they have 8, 10, 12 phase VRMs you could run an overclocked 7900X on them, and they are 7nm.

Lower and mid range Ryzen 3000 should be fine on lower and mid range 400 series boards.
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Well thats good, I only really plan on going for a 3600 and OC'ing it anyway, so I think a decent enough X470 board should be able to handle that just fine
 
humbug said:
I don't see why not, 'if' they are doubling the core count there might be an argument for not, on mid to lower end boards sure for the higher end X470's have 8, 10, 12 phase VRMs you could run an overclocked 7900X on them, and they are 7nm.

Lower and mid range Ryzen 3000 should be fine on lower and mid range 400 series boards.
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It keeps coming up...
I think (and numerous statements about AM4 supported dates backup the view that) everything up to 3700X will be fine on any boards currently out. Maybe not the FULLEST features enabled but close enough.
Beyond the 3700X (so 3800, 3800X, 3850X if it appears) MIGHT need flagship X370/X470 or X570.
 
Praz94 said:
X470 mobo's will be able to handle a 3000 series chip right? and handle it well im hoping
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If an X470 board can handle 8 12nm cores I'd be fairly sure they could handle 16 7nm cores. Half the size and half the power (and half the heat) at the same clocks from moving to 7nm means you can put in twice as much for the same power. And even though the leaked 3850X is a good chunker higher clock speeds, it'll have to be super mega golden silicon to do it, which by its very nature means better power draw.
 
LePhuronn said:
If an X470 board can handle 8 12nm cores I'd be fairly sure they could handle 16 7nm cores. Half the size and half the power (and half the heat) at the same clocks from moving to 7nm means you can put in twice as much for the same power. And even though the leaked 3850X is a good chunker higher clock speeds, it'll have to be super mega golden silicon to do it, which by its very nature means better power draw.
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Perfect. Exactly what I needed to hear!

Do you think a top end B450 board will be able to handle it though? I was thinking a MSI B450 pro carbon AC and a Ryzen 5 3600
 
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