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Yep, Master. Should've taken more time when building! Nevermind... :rolleyes:

Still going to be fiddly with Dark Rock Pro 4 and minimal space. Hopefully can remove gfx card to remove central fan and get access to the screws to remove it and refit RAM without need to repaste...
 
@roysters Got my Bitspower block today and comparing it to the EK Supremacy Classic RGB, from the Classic RGB kit got last week.

The Bitspower one is massive with a raised core center to touch only the AM4 CPUs. Is bare copper with a big jetplate covering a surface area bigger than what the CPU surface area but not the whole plate. The jetplate has tiny hair size fins and gaps.

The EK Supremancy Classic RGB is flat covering various CPU sizes (typical EK block). Is nickel plated and the jetplate is pretty big covering the whole surface (bigger than the AM4). In comparison the Predator EK Supremancy EVO block has half the jetplate surface area.

However while the Bitspower has tiny hair size channels and fins, the EK Supremancy Classic RGB are 3 times the width (thicker) for both the fins and the channels.
Thoughts?

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z10m said:
Honestly guys I think Ryzen CPUs are disappointing for gaming. I purchased R7 2700 when the price dropped after the release of 3rd gen CPUs and after testing I decided to return it as it was bottlenecking 980ti at 3440x1440 resolution.! (had it overclocked to 4.15Ghz with 2933 ram).
Now I got the 3700X and it's still bottlenecking my 980ti in some games regardless if I leave it at stock/enable PBO or overclock it to 4.3Ghz (GTA V can drop to like 50fps at times.!).
None of this was happening when I had my lemon 6700K that wouldn't overclock past 4.6Ghz.
Even the CPU in my laptop can run games with less frame rate drops (never seen it drop as low as 50fps in GTA V) and that only has i5 8300H that runs at 3.9Ghz while gaming.
All of those benchmarks and comparisons that we see are completely useless and only DF is showing exactly what is happening when you play a game from start to finish.
Should have gone with 9700K instead but there you have it. You live and learn...

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Well, i bought a 9900K, overclocked it to 5Ghz with RAM running at and disabled HT just to play a game that is single thread (Project Reality a BF2 mod) and the performance difference on this game from my previous Ryzen 1600 OCed 3.8Ghz was almost 100%. Some occasions my fps was was dropping to 30fps with ryzen 1600 and with intel, those drops on same occasion was around 50fps. With my ryzen 3700x (4.2~4.3Ghz by PBO), the drops is around 50fps, so the performance is the same as 9900K @ 5Ghz.

At the time, i was running all of them with same RAM kit, but different speed...
Ryzen 1600 with ram running at 3200Mhz 14-14-14-32-1T that gave me around 75ns
9900k with ram running at 3600Mhz 16-16-16-36-2T (could not run with 1T) that gave me around 45ns
Ryzen 3700x with ram running at 3600Mhz 16-16-16-36-1T / infinity fabric manually set at 1800Mhz) that give me around 70ns

I am/was also running windows 7 sp1 on all specs above. (yes, i am still running ryzen 3700x with windows 7 and i will probably stay with it for the next 5 years. that will give time for windows 10 to be mature and release "service pack 1").
 
Danesh_italiano said:
Well, i bought a 9900K, overclocked it to 5Ghz with RAM running at and disabled HT just to play a game that is single thread (Project Reality a BF2 mod) and the performance difference on this game from my previous Ryzen 1600 OCed 3.8Ghz was almost 100%. Some occasions my fps was was dropping to 30fps with ryzen 1600 and with intel, those drops on same occasion was around 50fps. With my ryzen 3700x (4.2~4.3Ghz by PBO), the drops is around 50fps, so the performance is the same as 9900K @ 5Ghz.

At the time, i was running all of them with same RAM kit, but different speed...
Ryzen 1600 with ram running at 3200Mhz 14-14-14-32-1T that gave me around 75ns
9900k with ram running at 3600Mhz 16-16-16-36-2T (could not run with 1T) that gave me around 45ns
Ryzen 3700x with ram running at 3600Mhz 16-16-16-36-1T / infinity fabric manually set at 1800Mhz) that give me around 70ns

I am/was also running windows 7 sp1 on all specs above. (yes, i am still running ryzen 3700x with windows 7 and i will probably stay with it for the next 5 years. that will give time for windows 10 to be mature and release "service pack 1").
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Yup, 9900K @ 5Ghz vs 3800X @ 4.5Ghz pretty much the same, slight advantage to the 9900K :)

 
Strange this time I could not replicate those fps drops and it didn't drop lower than I think 62fps on Ryzen system.

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Panos said:
@roysters Got my Bitspower block today and comparing it to the EK Supremacy Classic RGB, from the Classic RGB kit got last week.

The Bitspower one is massive with a raised core center to touch only the AM4 CPUs. Is bare copper with a big jetplate covering a surface area bigger than what the CPU surface area but not the whole plate. The jetplate has tiny hair size fins and gaps.

The EK Supremancy Classic RGB is flat covering various CPU sizes (typical EK block). Is nickel plated and the jetplate is pretty big covering the whole surface (bigger than the AM4). In comparison the Predator EK Supremancy EVO block has half the jetplate surface area.

However while the Bitspower has tiny hair size channels and fins, the EK Supremancy Classic RGB are 3 times the width (thicker) for both the fins and the channels.
Thoughts?

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Yup. I questioned bits power over this and they said it was fine and it covered the CPU dye...

Being the sceptical person I am I decided to remove it and try another block which covers the whole surface. (alphacool XPX)

I could see the indent from the thermal paste of it covering about 80% of the IHS.

Anyway. The alphacool block seems to perform about 2/3 degree's better. I mean not a big deal I guess but it's something.

I did think I would get better results with the bitspower block. I was a bit blinded because I wanted it to align with the distro plate I got.
 
roysters said:
Yup. I questioned bits power over this and they said it was fine and it covered the CPU dye...

Being the sceptical person I am I decided to remove it and try another block which covers the whole surface. (alphacool XPX)

I could see the indent from the thermal paste of it covering about 80% of the IHS.

Anyway. The alphacool block seems to perform about 2/3 degree's better. I mean not a big deal I guess but it's something.

I did think I would get better results with the bitspower block. I was a bit blinded because I wanted it to align with the distro plate I got.
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Yeah I looked at it physically and compare it. The jetplate is bit bigger than the AM4 raised position. I will use it and keep the Supremancy Classic as a backup for future upgrades.
 
Cool. Will be good to know your results to compare actually. Yours might perform better. Different variables. I'm on a 2x360 loop with a 2080ti

When you have it installed share some temps and I'll run the same and we can compare.
 
Any one on here OC'd their GSkill Trident RGB 3200 C14? Never tried on my CH6 but it sounds like the way to go.

I have the most rotten luck with OC'ing, typically getting the the worst chips of the bunch but after seeing LTT's recent video on Ryzen and memory overclocking - keen to see if I can get 3600.
 
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