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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

z10m said:
Honestly guys I think Ryzen CPUs are disappointing for gaming. I purchased R7 2700 when the price dropped after the release of 3rd gen CPUs and after testing I decided to return it as it was bottlenecking 980ti at 3440x1440 resolution.! (had it overclocked to 4.15Ghz with 2933 ram).
Now I got the 3700X and it's still bottlenecking my 980ti in some games regardless if I leave it at stock/enable PBO or overclock it to 4.3Ghz (GTA V can drop to like 50fps at times.!).
None of this was happening when I had my lemon 6700K that wouldn't overclock past 4.6Ghz.
Even the CPU in my laptop can run games with less frame rate drops (never seen it drop as low as 50fps in GTA V) and that only has i5 8300H that runs at 3.9Ghz while gaming.
All of those benchmarks and comparisons that we see are completely useless and only DF is showing exactly what is happening when you play a game from start to finish.
Should have gone with 9700K instead but there you have it. You live and learn...

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Can't comment on GTAV as I did that to death on the ps3 and ps4 but my experience with Ryzen so far has been totally opposite to my previous intel chips, really smooth experience.
 
Orange Nexus said:
Look at the image. The 8700K was pushing the gpu at 99% yet the fps dropped below 60. The gpu has no more to give at 1440.

Check out the 9900K @ 5.2GHz with a 2080 Ti in same game.

https://i.imgur.com/4p0XFrZ.jpg

It's just a tough game even with a cpu optimized for it.
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When I get home in the morning I will compare GTA V on three of my systems with same settings in same spots.
I will also try to run memory on my ryzen system with lower clock but with high infinity fabric and tightened timings as per LTT video that config can be better that high speed ram.
They found out that setting ram at 2133 and very tight timings then overclocking infinity fabric as high as possible was giving them better results than I think 3600 ram.
 
My take is that he sees framerates dropping and assumes its the CPU, when in reality it is the GPU being asked a whole heap more in particular scenarios.
Just because a GPU can push out 160 frames in one scene, it doesn't mean that it can push out the same number if frames in another scene. In reality, the CPU is working harder when the GPU is pushing out 160 frames, so it clearly cannot be the bottleneck in the second scene.
 
Guys it's nothing new to me. I'm an old gamer and been playing games and building my own computers for past 20 years.! I can tell the difference between CPU and gpu bottleneck . I got afterburner and hwinfo64 running monitoring the usage.
Ram amount is 16GB which is in my sig...
I hate fps of 60 and less because it gives me increased input lag and visible judder even with gsync on.
For me at least 85fps is the sweet spot...
 
z10m said:
When I get home in the morning I will compare GTA V on three of my systems with same settings in same spots.
I will also try to run memory on my ryzen system with lower clock but with high infinity fabric and tightened timings as per LTT video that config can be better that high speed ram.
They found out that setting ram at 2133 and very tight timings then overclocking infinity fabric as high as possible was giving them better results than I think 3600 ram.
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HU did a review how RAM speed and timing/IF affect Ryzen 3000 but they did not include GTAV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH3qq_mSxTM
 
z10m said:
Guys it's nothing new to me. I'm an old gamer and been playing games and building my own computers for past 20 years.! I can tell the difference between CPU and gpu bottleneck . I got afterburner and hwinfo64 running monitoring the usage.
Ram amount is 16GB which is in my sig...
I hate fps of 60 and less because it gives me increased input lag and visible judder even with gsync on.
For me at least 85fps is the sweet spot...
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So this ryzen build your having problems with is it with clean install of the OS ..i had some issues your stating with ryzen v1 with some other games not GTAV not one i play ... and found that my problem was not a clean install and using same OS from my Intel build ..
 
harney said:
So this ryzen build your having problems with is it with clean install of the OS ..i had some issues your stating with ryzen v1 with some other games not GTAV not one i play ... and found that my problem was not a clean install and using same OS from my Intel build ..
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Yup it is a clean install. Well I installed it few days ago with R7 2700 and swapped it to 3700X on Saturday.
 
Tomorrow I'll try low ram clock with lowered timings with high infinity fabric clock.
LTT found out that it can work great...

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By the way the motherboard I'm running it on is the MSI X470 Gaming Pro with latest bios and the CPU is cooled by custom loop with 360 + 120 radiators..
 
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@z10m

Yea the tldr is if you cannot run your ram at 3600MHz with a 1800MHz FCLK then there is some merit in running a high FCLK with low clocked ram. But it ain't ideal.

Check out the two Buldzoid videos on the issue. He covers this in great depth.

When I get home I'll post the videos if you haven't already found them.
 
opethdisciple said:
Yea the tldr is if you cannot run your ram at 3600MHz with a 1800MHz FCLK then there is some merit in running a high FCLK with low clocked ram. But it ain't ideal.

Check out the two Buldzoid videos on the issue. He covers this in great depth.
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I don't need it to be ideal but I need it to give me decent framerate without drops below 60 that's all that I'm asking for.
I don't think decent gaming experience should require high end memory.
 
z10m said:
Honestly guys I think Ryzen CPUs are disappointing for gaming. I purchased R7 2700 when the price dropped after the release of 3rd gen CPUs and after testing I decided to return it as it was bottlenecking 980ti at 3440x1440 resolution.! (had it overclocked to 4.15Ghz with 2933 ram).
Now I got the 3700X and it's still bottlenecking my 980ti in some games regardless if I leave it at stock/enable PBO or overclock it to 4.3Ghz (GTA V can drop to like 50fps at times.!).
None of this was happening when I had my lemon 6700K that wouldn't overclock past 4.6Ghz.
Even the CPU in my laptop can run games with less frame rate drops (never seen it drop as low as 50fps in GTA V) and that only has i5 8300H that runs at 3.9Ghz while gaming.
All of those benchmarks and comparisons that we see are completely useless and only DF is showing exactly what is happening when you play a game from start to finish.
Should have gone with 9700K instead but there you have it. You live and learn...

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Your's system must be really ****** up if you are bottlenecking 980ti and my water cooled pascal titan is NOT ENOUGH to play games at 4k maxed like Division 2 I had to dial to 1800p to keep steady 60...
 
Zeed said:
Your's system must be really ****** up if you are bottlenecking 980ti and my water cooled pascal titan is NOT ENOUGH to play games at 4k maxed like Division 2 I had to dial to 1800p to keep steady 60...
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Division 2 is properly multithreaded unlike GTA V.
With high (not max) settings GTA V is very light on GPU but very taxing on only 4 threads.
You can't compare those two games...
 
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