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The problems will get better with time, that part why I went with a 8600k/z370 as it was cheeper but will move once the issues with Ryzen are better or when Zen 3/b550 comes out.

People on here seem really quiet over the potential misleading boost clocks with Ryzen 3, there's quite a big thread on r/AMD atm.

I wouldn’t say people are quiet over the boosting lots of people have complained about it on here and lots of other forums but I know from personal experience that and boost clocks are not that they advatise like intel do. I mean that I expected 1-2 cores of my 3900x to boost to near max levels of 4.6 I didn’t expect all core to be 4.6ghz although I did kinda hope/want all core manual pc to hit 4.4ghz but only managed 4.3ghz although surprisingly at 1.285v :)

But intel are the same though there tdp calculations are a work of fiction really :) and never tell the whole story yes a 8700k or 9900k/ks hit there respective clock speeds in the right situations good cooling is defo required a lot higher voltage etc then they actually publish and if you buy a prebuilt from dell hp etc the sales staff will always try to sell a k series cpu even though a lot of there stuff doesn’t have cooling or bios to fully use it.

Now on sites like ocuk Or r/amd we mainly people who have some idea on our pc and not the average person who brought there shinny new amd 3800x at Walmart with no real idea what the rest of the system is or does.

Now a lot of pc that get sold let’s say by dell come with cheap ass coolers hp is the same the sales clerk has just told you what they think you should buy and upgraded your i7 9700 to 9700k on there standard motherboard and cooling option I will bet from total pcs sold not even half will hit intel boost speed. And sitting closer to stock speed then you realise.

Amd on the other hand gives system builders and end users a much better chance of opt aiming early optimal condition the cooler bundled with 3700x 3800x and 3900x does a protruding good job of boosting in my case to 4.6ghz on single core and a good 4ghz+ out of the box with stock cooler intel can’t claim the same.

Then you have the whole heat paste issue with intel your 8700k to get the best performance out of it needs to be delided and some other paste/liquid metal applied to it to get temps down so that temps are reasaonable at boosting and that you can actually oc to the magical 5ghz every one gets told to get on regedit and here and any other tech site. Intel and amd both lie well not lie but don’t tell you the whole truth at point of sale.

Now I think intel did a amazing job with the 9900k even the 8700k at launch was a really good job by intel although felt very rushed and I felt sorry for 7700k owners not even a year later u got a cpu 50% better simple coz of core count :) but a whole new socket was also a punch in the guy for loyal fans. No cheap upgrade to the 8700k even for 7700k owners. I also can’t wait for the new intel stuff to come out I wonder what intel have in store for us all will it be 10nm will it be 10 cores will it be they skip a new cpu this year and wait till mid 2020 to launch we don’t know but one thing is for sure I can see intel and amd battling for years to come.
 
That's irrelevant, the software should be ready at time of release else how can they justify what they've written on the box?

There are so many variables. One is Win10 updates. It can affect the system, too. Like i said, there was a time when our chips boost, at least on my 3600. So, you can't make a blanket statement.
 
Crashed 2 times in a row just trying to log into windows, like 2-3 times last night in the span of 20 min just watching youtube, crash browsing using edge, crash starting a game.

Guess i will try memory at 2133mhz or whatever, this is just BS.
 
@TrM the thread is about AMD not Intel. Your 3900x doesn't boost to advertised clock speeds, hence it doesn't work as it should.

It's no more complicated than that.

But I do hit 4.6ghz :) may only be on a single core but I did hit 4.6ghz and if u look at the time spy benchmark test thread under the gpu section I’m 13th on the list with 4.44ghz boost in that sim benchmark so my cpu works as adavatised. Now over clocking is a different story and that is disappointing from a intel perspective or how intel have marketed there cpu and we have gotten to used to it. But would I like to see a all core 4.6ghz yes I would. Did I expect it no I did not as amd Ryzen marketing and stuff have always shown a lower core count boost speed.

But sould amd change to intel ways and putting all boost clock speed as the main number they publish? Yes I think they sould do that say the 3900x in my case is a 4.2ghz all core boost [Which is what mine does at stock ] and I can see the confusion but my cpu reaches the the 4.6ghz so amd have not lied or miss lead me is what I’m saying
 
I'm on 1903, and I still don't get 4.4 boost on any core. Add to that, I've had to switch from Ryzen Balanced to Windows Balanced power plan just to stop a constant 1.48v vcore pounding the chip.

But yes, it's a Windows issue. :rolleyes:

Like I said, many variables. What motherboard do you have? I updated my X470 from Agesa 1002 to 1003 and lost the boost. A 70Hz boost to be exact. I'm planning on using my 3600 on my B350, which I have not updated to 1003 just to get the boost and experiment on it.
 
I'm on 1903, and I still don't get 4.4 boost on any core. Add to that, I've had to switch from Ryzen Balanced to Windows Balanced power plan just to stop a constant 1.48v vcore pounding the chip.

But yes, it's a Windows issue. :rolleyes:

First of all you wont hit 4.4Ghz until a new fixed AGESA is out, so forget about that until we get an update. Alternatively, drop a support ticket to AMD and also your motherboard vendor, like I did, to let them know about the boost speeds, I've had acknowledgement from both AMD and AsRock so the more that do this the more it keeps being brought to their attention.

If you are getting 1.48v and never going lower on Ryzen balanced plan, then there is some software poling the CPU constantly, it isn't AMD/CPU/Chipset drivers causing the issue, it's some sort of software that's needing to ping the CPU at a set interval, such as HWInfo, msi afterburner, RGB software, keyboard software, mouse software.

If it's around 1.48v then it must be something minor pinging a single thread/core as 1.48v is perfectly normal for light loads such as monitoring software etc. AMD even confirmed moving your mouse will cause poling to the CPU and thus spike the voltage up to 1.5v while the CPU responds to that.
 
End the perfect chaos and just get some b-die.
Funny thing is i can play a game for a bit no problem at times, do stuff in windows and it just crashes more easily.

How would b-die fix it? Even G.Skill are selling Hynix kits for the new AMD chips.. This is just stupid though, still not sure what the problem is.

Contacted both G.Skill and Asus support now anyway just to see what they say.
 
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If you are getting 1.48v and never going lower on Ryzen balanced plan, then there is some software poling the CPU constantly, it isn't AMD/CPU/Chipset drivers causing the issue, it's some sort of software that's needing to ping the CPU at a set interval, such as HWInfo, msi afterburner, RGB software, keyboard software, mouse software.

I already closed iCue (another compromise made) and on Ryzen balanced it never drops, but if I switch to Windows balanced then it does drop to idle. It's clearly the power plan.
 
First of all you wont hit 4.4Ghz until a new fixed AGESA is out, so forget about that until we get an update. Alternatively, drop a support ticket to AMD and also your motherboard vendor, like I did, to let them know about the boost speeds, I've had acknowledgement from both AMD and AsRock so the more that do this the more it keeps being brought to their attention.

If you are getting 1.48v and never going lower on Ryzen balanced plan, then there is some software poling the CPU constantly, it isn't AMD/CPU/Chipset drivers causing the issue, it's some sort of software that's needing to ping the CPU at a set interval, such as HWInfo, msi afterburner, RGB software, keyboard software, mouse software.

If it's around 1.48v then it must be something minor pinging a single thread/core as 1.48v is perfectly normal for light loads such as monitoring software etc. AMD even confirmed moving your mouse will cause poling to the CPU and thus spike the voltage up to 1.5v while the CPU responds to that.
I can do 4.5ghz all core? I settled for 4.4ghz though at 1.35v..

I don't see what's the problem here
 
Funny thing is i can play a game for a bit no problem at times, do stuff in windows and it just crashes more easily.

How would b-die fix it? Even G.Skill are selling Hynix kits for the new AMD chips.. This is just stupid though, still not sure what the problem is.

Contacted both G.Skill and Asus support now anyway just to see what they say.

Got some G.Skill 3200 CL16 Hynix M-Die and it does not like 3200 XMP or even with the calc (did not put much time in it) on both B350 and X470 with a 2700. Have not tried it with the R5 3600. My G.Skill FlareX, otoh, works on both Gens without drama using XMP.
 
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