AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[humbug]

I've been holding on to this for days agonizing whether or not to post it.

MASSIVE pinch of salt guys.

The way this is explained away is that the game takes advantage of Zen 2's huge L3 cache, and the more modern architecture.....


https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-r...-9900k-in-xcom-chimera-squad-up-to-30-faster/

 

[FoxEye]

Yeah I wouldn't put too much faith in that. The previous 2K XCOM games were some pretty horrific bug-fests I just wouldn't hold them up as benchmarks tbh.

Maybe they screwed something up, maybe not. I wouldn't put it past them.

 

[NinjaCool]

ComputerBase did retest several times so maybe this is simply a case of developers optimizing well for the Zen 2 architecture (32MB L3 cache), and thus an example of optimizations we might see more of once the new consoles with their 8C/16T Zen 2 CPUs arrives.

 

[FoxEye]

ComputerBase did retest several times so maybe this is simply a case of developers optimizing well for the Zen 2 architecture (32MB L3 cache), and thus an example of optimizations we might see more of once the new consoles with their 8C/16T Zen 2 CPUs arrives.

Or its an outlier, because they screwed something up. Until lots of other games show the same "optimisations" for AMD, I'm not discounting that. Esp because I saw the state of XCOM when it was released - a buggy mess.

Incidentally, why would the maker of a turn-based strategy game invest dev time in optimising the graphics engine for AMD CPUs.. And if a turn-based game dev can do it why aren't all the FPS devs showing similar perf increases for AMD CPU..

I'm not buying this for a second, that Firaxis (of all people) have somehow unlocked AMD CPUs to give massive perf boosts in their graphics engine code. It seems very odd to me.

 

[Curlyriff]

the 3950x is currently selling for $50usd more than I paid for mine in December last year

Fair, they deffo droped by around £80 on average UK retail though.

 

[Phixsator]

Or its an outlier, because they screwed something up. Until lots of other games show the same "optimisations" for AMD, I'm not discounting that. Esp because I saw the state of XCOM when it was released - a buggy mess.

Incidentally, why would the maker of a turn-based strategy game invest dev time in optimising the graphics engine for AMD CPUs.. And if a turn-based game dev can do it why aren't all the FPS devs showing similar perf increases for AMD CPU..

I'm not buying this for a second, that Firaxis (of all people) have somehow unlocked AMD CPUs to give massive perf boosts in their graphics engine code. It seems very odd to me.

Called cost vs return. I'm fairly sure many more devs could do proper optimizations if their management deems it necessary for the bottom line and that depends on AMD's market share.

 

[NinjaCool]

Or its an outlier, because they screwed something up. Until lots of other games show the same "optimisations" for AMD, I'm not discounting that. Esp because I saw the state of XCOM when it was released - a buggy mess.
Incidentally, why would the maker of a turn-based strategy game invest dev time in optimising the graphics engine for AMD CPUs.. And if a turn-based game dev can do it why aren't all the FPS devs showing similar perf increases for AMD CPU..
I'm not buying this for a second, that Firaxis (of all people) have somehow unlocked AMD CPUs to give massive perf boosts in their graphics engine code. It seems very odd to me.

Maybe the Zen 2 performance is because they plan to launch the game/expansion onto the new consoles, or maybe it’s a combination of the game being turn based together with an engine that just really likes a large L3 cache, but without more testing done, we don't really know yet.

 

[NinjaCool]

AMD Ryzen 3 3100 (4C/8T) hits 4.50 GHz All-Core OC
https://www.techpowerup.com/266438/amd-ryzen-3-3100-hits-4-50-ghz-all-core-oc

The upcoming $99 Ryzen 3 3100 is showing some impressive OC potential with a 4.50 GHz all-core overclock on a cheap ASUS TUF Gaming B450M-Pro motherboard and another submission shows a 4.40 GHz all-core OC with a similarly cheap MSI B450M Bazooka Plus board.

 

[FoxEye]

Called cost vs return. I'm fairly sure many more devs could do proper optimizations if their management deems it necessary for the bottom line and that depends on AMD's market share.

My point was, that if you're a turn-based game dev, and if your products have a history of being bug-ridden, why are you (of all people) investing time into optimising your FPS on a subset of your users' hardware? It doesn't make too much sense.

I'm saying that for a turn-based game your graphical FPS isn't a massive priority, vs something like CounterStrike.

 

[opethdisciple]

How do you guys test how high your FCLKs can go?

Because I've realised I never increase VDDG voltage before I test it.

I test it with stock voltages, find it cant go higher than 1800MHz and then tune my ram for 3600MHz.

Perhaps with the next BIOS I will try upping the VDDG voltages before I see how high my FCLK can go.

Is that the only voltage I need to play with for FCLK?

And is this something you guys have to do as well, or does it just 'work' at stock volts for the FCLK for you?

 

[Panos]

How do you guys test how high your FCLKs can go?

Because I've realised I never increase VDDG voltage before I test it.

I test it with stock voltages, find it cant go higher than 1800MHz and then tune my ram for 3600MHz.

Perhaps with the next BIOS I will try upping the VDDG voltages before I see how high my FCLK can go.

Is that the only voltage I need to play with for FCLK?

And is this something you guys have to do as well, or does it just 'work' at stock volts for the FCLK for you?

Using DRAM Calc. Just with XMP with 3600Mhz ram, should operate at 1800 without tweaking everything default.

 

[muon]

I've started doing all-core overclocking again instead of PBO (better all-core performance). Is there a way of setting a power limit so that it throttles once an AVX workload puts a ridiculous amount of load on it.

 

[Gypo]

Just upgraded my 8350-FX to a 3600x and very happy, going to enslave the 8350 as a SAN now

 

[kitfit1]

I've started doing all-core overclocking again instead of PBO (better all-core performance). Is there a way of setting a power limit so that it throttles once an AVX workload puts a ridiculous amount of load on it.

No is the answer. Anything involving AVX will just saturate whatever cooling you have. That's the nature of the beast. The bios has it's settings, but they are where they are once you boot to the OS. All you can do is constantly try different things in the bios until you are happy.

 

[opethdisciple]

Using DRAM Calc. Just with XMP with 3600Mhz ram, should operate at 1800 without tweaking everything default.

What I meant was for me to find out if my CPU can do more than 1800 FCLK I might actually need to set the voltage for VDDG before I try to see how high it can go.

At stock the limit is 1800MHz.

 

[opethdisciple]

Just upgraded my 8350-FX to a 3600x and very happy, going to enslave the 8350 as a SAN now

Must feel like a huge upgrade.

 

[Gypo]

Must feel like a huge upgrade.

Yeah Chrome loads 0.1% faster now

 

[Grim5]

AMD once again reaches new heights as AMD sells 91% of all CPU sales at Mind Factory in April

https://imgur.com/a/wlJIP8J

Intel has reached a new low, now only selling less than 10% of all CPU sales at MF

 

[Destination]

Don't worry Intel will spike again, to double figures
Assuming their 10 series exists and isn't just a few OEM trays.

 

[muon]

AMD once again reaches new heights as AMD sells 91% of all CPU sales at Mind Factory in April

https://imgur.com/a/wlJIP8J

Intel has reached a new low, now only selling less than 10% of all CPU sales at MF

Interesting jump in April. I wonder if consumer computer hardware sales will see a jump during the lockdown period. I know I've spent a fair bit during this period.

Able to support my hypothesis? @Gibbo