AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[aoaaron]

Eagerly awaiting this

I want to build a second rig and I feel like doing an AMD build (at least for the CPU) if they bring the value to the table.

 

[Troezar]

If these cpus are as good as the rumours say I can see sales of them being huge.

 

[Kill_Phil]

If these cpus are as good as the rumours say I can see sales of them being huge.

Fingers crossed. I've got the upgrade itch

 

[Scougar]

Alternative design to the last chips but almost guaranteed to be better. So great upgrade for me from my lowish clocked 1600. Very much looking forward to the improved mhz for single thread stuff this time around. Can't wait for some solid info.

 

[Murphy]

MSI are saying they're not going to support R3 on their 100-series and 200-series boards.

TPU say "Zen 2 processors have steeper electrical requirements that 300-series motherboards don't meet", I'm guessing that's a typo and they meant to say 100-series and 200-series.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/bddp1b/gigabyte_x570_reveal_date/

 

[Random Guy Esq.]

I best get saving. Desperate for a new rig this summer!

 

[4K8KW10]

MSI are saying they're not going to support R3 on their 100-series and 200-series boards.

TPU say "Zen 2 processors have steeper electrical requirements that 300-series motherboards don't meet", I'm guessing that's a typo and they meant to say 100-series and 200-series.

MSI reach new lows. That company is utter joke.
300-series motherboards is correct. There are no 100- and 200-series motherboards for Ryzen.

 

[LePhuronn]

Interesting that MSI would support Ryzen 2 in 300 series boards when the shrink from 14nm to 12nm saved a tiny bit of power, but won't support Ryzen 3 in 300 series boards when the redesign and shrink to 7nm would save a chunk of power.

Somebody wants to push new boards, don't they. But then, it's entirely their prerogative. Although AMD have done everything they can to keep their AM4 support promise, I'm not sure they'd want to fall out with motherboard vendors by forcing them get the support in place. Hmm...

 

[humbug]

Well i was looking at getting a higher end MSI board, not anymore...

 

[Journey]

MSI B350 and X370 VRM setup were trash, where as their current 400 series offerings are great.

 

[Troezar]

I've always found MSI you be fine. Never had an issue with their products. As for future products the market will decide if their strategy is good or bad. Tbh if you have a lower end older motherboard you're probably not looking at a huge upgrade anyway. If it was X470 then I think it would be a bigger issue.

Of course we have no idea yet it these are legitimate concerns or if there really might be an issue with dropping Ryzen 3000 into older lower spec. boards.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The current MSI 400 series boards on average have the best VRM and VRM cooling setups especially at the lower end and midrange levels.

 

[4K8KW10]

The current MSI 400 series boards on average have the best VRM and VRM cooling setups especially at the lower end and midrange levels.

But their M.2 shields make the M.2 devices' temperatures worse.

Well i was looking at getting a higher end MSI board, not anymore...

+1. I'm with you.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

But their M.2 shields make the M.2 devices' temperatures worse.

Buildzoid,Gamersnexus and Hardware Unboxed have looked at quite a few of the lower end and midrange B450 boards,and the MSI boards have the best implemented designs and the best VRM cooling.

A fair number of the Asus and Gigabyte,have terrible VRM cooling and just double stuff up to give the impression of better VRMs than they actually have, and kind of don't indicate doubling is happening. It ends up with the VRMs running very hot.

When it comes to ATX and mATX Ryzen 400 boards,I would tend to go for MSI,and some of the ASRock models.

 

[4K8KW10]

Buildzoid,Gamersnexus and Hardware Unboxed have looked at quite a few of the lower end and midrange B450 boards,and the MSI boards have the best implemented designs and the best VRM cooling.

A fair number of the Asus and Gigabyte,have terrible VRM cooling and just double stuff up to give the impression of better VRMs than they actually have, and kind of don't indicate doubling is happening. It ends up with the VRMs running very hot.

When it comes to ATX and mATX Ryzen 400 boards,I would tend to go for MSI,and some of the ASRock models.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2781-msi-m2-heat-shield-increases-temperatures
MSI's M.2 "Heat Shield" Increases SSD Temperature

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2781-msi-m2-heat-shield-increases-temperatures
MSI's M.2 "Heat Shield" Increases SSD Temperature

Again not relevant to what I am saying. Loads of websites have looked at the VRMs which are the singular most important part of a board.

The MSI VRMs are the best implemented on the B450 boards and that is what Buildzoid,Gamersnexus and Hardware Unboxed have said. I know loads of people who even had boards like the B450M Mortar,and B450 AC Carbon who run mildly overclocked 2700s on them and the VRM temperatures are solid. The MSI VRM coolers actually are properly finned.

Asus and Gigabyte lie about the amount of VRM phases they use,by doubling them with worse parts,and then using VRM heatsinks which are just cosmetic slabs of metal.

That is Buildzoid examing the £80 to £85 B450M Mortar. The similarly priced B450 Tomahawk has even better VRM cooling.

Here is another one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMJoLyrWa7E&t=1615s

Under $180(US),literally all the boards recommended by Gamers Nexus and Buildzoid are MSI ones.

Hardware Unboxed for their B450 boards,its all MSI and ASRock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWGzmbbimPw&t=280s

Then you have this test of the Asus and Gigabyte B450 boards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqQcgwz1hYA

Their VRM temperatures are terrible.

 

[Vince]

People shouldn't buy msi full stop. Crap products, crap build quality, crap support. Of all the tech I've had msi laptops, gpu's and boards have failed prematurely almost every time.

Good example would be the 280x gaming, 4 cards... yes 4 cards I sent back. 5th card came back with the same problems. Laptops.. don't even get me started. Just don't buy this junk with your own money.

 

[SiDeards73]

I haven't bought anything MSI since I rma'd my 2 X 290 MSI Gaming until recently.

Wanted a decent B450 for my kids 2600x build, and went for the Gaming Pro Carbon, it's been solid for them, and had a ton of features plus wireless which was useful. Had a good look at reviews of B450 beforehand and nothing else really came close

However with Zen2 I'm going to be selling my 1700 and possibly my CH6 and will go for the high end Asrock board I think, Asus is nice but just overpriced, I had an X370 Taichi but the Bios was a mess however the build quality was superb so I'm probably going back to one for Zen 2.

But the MSI stuff just reeks of money grabbing, which is hilarious as their CEO recently said he didn't think much of AMD iirc...

Shame Gigabyte boards are just so overpriced and underwhelming lately. I used to swear by them for my motherboards.

Will probably go x570 Taichi or the best high end B450 if there is something decent available

 

[Troezar]

Some funny stuff here, just like the news headlines, totally binary absolute statements. I've never had an issue with MSI going back to the Athlon days but I wouldn't hold them up as perfect. Neither would I say Sapphire are terrible because I've had a few cards die. By their nature complex electronics can go wrong sometimes. It is what it is, but anecdotal evidence is not evidence of anything other than our personal experiences.

Going by reviews and RMA experiences I'd be wary of ASUS... You pay your money...