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Disappointing if true as the owner of an MSI X370, I won't cry too much of a river though as I only paid £140 for it including an R7 1700 on our members market. I was however planning on putting the money saved into a new 3rd generation chip.

I might have to buy an new board to go with it but it won't be MSI if this is their policy.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Buildzoid,Gamersnexus and Hardware Unboxed have looked at quite a few of the lower end and midrange B450 boards,and the MSI boards have the best implemented designs and the best VRM cooling.

A fair number of the Asus and Gigabyte,have terrible VRM cooling and just double stuff up to give the impression of better VRMs than they actually have, and kind of don't indicate doubling is happening. It ends up with the VRMs running very hot.

When it comes to ATX and mATX Ryzen 400 boards,I would tend to go for MSI,and some of the ASRock models.
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Not quite the best representation of what Buildzoid would say. ASUS didn't make spurious claims on VRM either, they just had a strong lower phase count VRM vs Gigabyte using false advertising as well as some of the other brands. MSI were usually better with mem overclocks too, with ASUS having the best core overclocks. The top end Gigabyte's while having good VRM's were usually afflicted with the standard ****** finicky BIOS from them.

From what I've been seeing the rise of the R5's from the 1xxx and 2xxx series have convinced the Mobo Manufacturer's to put more effort into the AMD Mobo's this time around. Even having much more money spent on the launch for them too.
 
No problem with my MSI Carbon X470, M.2 heatsink is fine too.. rock solid 4.2Ghz all core with 2700X @1.350v.

Really not sure why people blab their mouth saying DONT BUY MSI CRAP.. i also had in the past an MSI Z68 Mobo with an I7 2700K 5.0Ghz overclock on it, no issues with that either.

If they were that bad they wouldnt be in business anymore. :rolleyes:
 
MyBrains said:
No problem with my MSI Carbon X470, M.2 heatsink is fine too.. rock solid 4.2Ghz all core with 2700X @1.350v.

Really not sure why people blab their mouth saying DONT BUY MSI CRAP.. i also had in the past an MSI Z68 Mobo with an I7 2700K 5.0Ghz overclock on it, no issues with that either.

If they were that bad they wouldnt be in business anymore. :rolleyes:
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If you have rock solid 4.2 ghz, how is memory frequency clocked and what are your timings? 3200? 3400? 3466? 3533? 3600? CL14 to 16?
 
I have an MSI X370 titanium xpower board. I am really hoping this is a mistake, it wouldn't be the first time their support said the wrong thing. The board is good, will made and VRMs are decent. I do feel they get a lot of hate even though I think they make good products.
 
My MSI B350 board can get the most out of my 2700X with PBO settings and offset voltage. And no problem running my b-die ram at 3333. It'd be a shame if the new gen isn't supported.

The UEFI bios is very good. The mem-try it profiles can help a lot with ram overclocking. It's something you only get on very high end asus boards. The fan control isn't very good though and the desktop apps are a bit naff. I don't use them any way.
 
Hang on, isn't this potentially cross-wires and/or misreporting about PCIe 4 compatibility? That's the only thing "electrically incompatible" with a 300 series board, surely?

Or are they trying to create a more serious-sounding "issue" than "our BIOS is full, we can't put any more CPUs in it".
 
MyBrains said:
No problem with my MSI Carbon X470, M.2 heatsink is fine too.. rock solid 4.2Ghz all core with 2700X @1.350v.

Really not sure why people blab their mouth saying DONT BUY MSI CRAP.. i also had in the past an MSI Z68 Mobo with an I7 2700K 5.0Ghz overclock on it, no issues with that either.

If they were that bad they wouldnt be in business anymore. :rolleyes:
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Like Gigabyte , MSI X570 will slightly outmatch their z390 line up. Gigabyte and MSI been going head to head ith z390 and x399 line up but in different ways which is good . have a feeling though ASUS will be using their brand power A LOT! i.e OC3D will start doing VRM temp testing on ASUS boards again with x570 pmsl .
 
LePhuronn said:
Hang on, isn't this potentially cross-wires and/or misreporting about PCIe 4 compatibility? That's the only thing "electrically incompatible" with a 300 series board, surely?

Or are they trying to create a more serious-sounding "issue" than "our BIOS is full, we can't put any more CPUs in it".
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Hopefully the former.
 
LePhuronn said:
Hang on, isn't this potentially cross-wires and/or misreporting about PCIe 4 compatibility? That's the only thing "electrically incompatible" with a 300 series board, surely?

Or are they trying to create a more serious-sounding "issue" than "our BIOS is full, we can't put any more CPUs in it".
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It goes without say but this is just me guessing/speculating but, the only thing i can think of is maybe the I/O die runs at a different voltage than the compute dies and possibly older boards can't supply the two separate voltages.

I don't think it would be that existing boards can't supply enough voltage or that Zen 2's TDP is massively higher, the VRM's may get hotter but it's not (afaik) like they'd go bang if TDP's went up by 50-100W (some overclocks probably exceed the stock TDP by that much already), whereas two separate voltage rails for the 14nm and 7nm dies seems to make more sense, although even with that you'd expect AMD to implement some sort of step down within the package itself so board partners don't have to change designs.
 
Andyman82 said:
If you have rock solid 4.2 ghz, how is memory frequency clocked and what are your timings? 3200? 3400? 3466? 3533? 3600? CL14 to 16?
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Just stock settings with the 8 Pack 3200Mhz Dark Pro 14-14-14-31-1T. I used Memory try it! in BIOS, booted up with 3400Mhz 16-18-18-36-2T.. passed a few benchmarks, but i hate messing with RAM so put it back to default :p

orbitalwalsh said:
Like Gigabyte , MSI X570 will slightly outmatch their z390 line up. Gigabyte and MSI been going head to head ith z390 and x399 line up but in different ways which is good . have a feeling though ASUS will be using their brand power A LOT! i.e OC3D will start doing VRM temp testing on ASUS boards again with x570 pmsl .
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Buildzoid did some good VRM testing, including the Mobo i have, be nice to see more doing these tests.
 
MyBrains said:
Just stock settings with the 8 Pack 3200Mhz Dark Pro 14-14-14-31-1T. I used Memory try it! in BIOS, booted up with 3400Mhz 16-18-18-36-2T.. passed a few benchmarks, but i hate messing with RAM so put it back to default :p



Buildzoid did some good VRM testing, including the Mobo i have, be nice to see more doing these tests.
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aye, he's down the line - destroyed Gigabytes z370 line up and helped 390 line up and explained Asus's odd set-up with their own z390 boards .

https://wccftech.com/samsung-develops-5nm-euv-node/

this is what Zen3 needs to move onto - would be a double punch to Intel, 7nm to most likely edge ahead and then 5nm EUV to keep pace/beat with intels 10nm

or TMSC to drop its pricing.

good to see all around we have competition in the hardware sector
 
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