If you can afford DDR4 4000, but that's getting a long way from spec and AMD won't offer APU's that require exotic DDR4. 16Gb sticks will probably be the norm.
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If you can afford DDR4 4000, but that's getting a long way from spec and AMD won't offer APU's that require exotic DDR4. 16Gb sticks will probably be the norm.
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My only worry is bios updates for older boards, yeah they may support the newer processor but updates become rarer and rarer, so may be forced into getting an X570 board. CH6 for example is still on Agesa 1.0.0.2c and that was a fairly high end board at the time.
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BIOS updates will happen around the time a new generation is being launched
Yes but after that updates become rarer and rarer for older boards, potentially forcing you to upgrade anyway.
Ironic that the crappy b350 board I use sometimes has had consistent updates and is on the latest microcode.
No. BIOS update you need only in case there is a problem. They almost never are recommended
Ironic that the crappy b350 board I use sometimes has had consistent updates and is on the latest microcode.
So, it isn't that crappy, after all? lol
To be fair, it's been excellent although I've used a fair few very sub par ones as well. It's a shame that the higher the price doesn't get you better service.
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No. BIOS update you need only in case there is a problem. They almost never are recommended
Nah, I want the latest Agesa versions so I can try different memory out. Its a bit of a lottery regarding updates.
Which is why I will probably go X570 when Ryzen 2 is out, sell the CH6 or put it into my media server.
Indeed. Love my CH6, but Im not touching a new BIOS (still on an older Beta BIOS
). I will swap out with X570 with Ryzen 3000. PCI-E 4.0 doesn't really mean anything to me, nor the average user, so not really bothered about it. It'll be interesting on godly Threadripper systems though.
It does mean something to the average user though. It means double the bandwidth per lane, which means on a lane limited platform like AM4 (or 1151) instead of only being able to connect a GPU at 16x and have 4x remaining lanes, you can connect the GPU at 8x with no loss of bandwidth leaving 12 lanes for other devices, like NVMe SSD's/10GbE/TB3 ports etc. All at full speed. It makes the normal desktop machine less crippled compared to HEDT etc.
Here is the question, since we are talking about NVMe and M.2. I have NVMe M.2 Samsung drive, which will be used as a boot drive and placed in M.2 slot on my x470 Hero motherboard. I also have Intels 750 series NVMe PCI-e drive, which obviously will go to second PCI-e slot, or 3rd. So am I correct in assuming that I still be able to take advantage of all the speed both drives provide, if I switch my GPU to x8 speeds?
And regarding bios updates, going from initial BIOS version on my ASUS Hero to "latest" version let me increase RAM speed from 3466Mhz to 3600Mhz. I haven't seen if they publicised the very latest agesa based version yet (since it caused quite a few issues), but I agree, they (at least ASUS) tend to forget about last years high end boards once new breed comes out.
And regarding bios updates, going from initial BIOS version on my ASUS Hero to "latest" version let me increase RAM speed from 3466Mhz to 3600Mhz. I haven't seen if they publicised the very latest agesa based version yet (since it caused quite a few issues), but I agree, they (at least ASUS) tend to forget about last years high end boards once new breed comes out.
For the average user (GPU + NVMe + SSD) 16 + 4 is perfectly fine and there's no noticeable performance lost out nor have I ever experienced any issues with several builds. There's little to be gained for these users. I suppose the option to free up lanes may be handy, but certainly not a game changer.
However, if you have multiple GPUs, multiple NVMe drive and external USB 3.1/Thunderbolt storage etc, then yes, there's going to be a benefit. But you'd hardly have an average sort of build and be looking at a HEDT workstation build anyway.
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With M.2 NVMe drives dropping in prices and capacities increasing there is not much of the reason to go SATA anymore, thus the cry for more PCI-e lanes on CPUs. While until recently it was acceptable to get NVMe SSD for system and games and have large HDD on a side, now people are getting into one decent sized NVMe drive for boot stuff, and another one larger capacity for storage and games. Large capacity NVMe is not so expensive anymore. No one is stalking about 10 NVMe drives in raids here
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STILL !!!! OMG im glad I got rid of mine, I hated it.
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Mines been fine to be fair, just bios updates have dried up a bit. Was one a few days ago but all the release notes said was "stability improvements".....
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I know they were going to skip 1.0.0.4 but I thought they'd release 1.0.0.6 by now, im getting higher RAM clocks on my MSI board and lower voltage on the CPU on 1.0.0.6, only a small margin, but every little counts...…..sounds like an ASDA advert lol
Nice, begs the question of the Ryzen 4000 threads.
Got a job upgrade.. so in the future will be upgrading my kit to something actually decent. Right now my 1600 is ticking over nicely though.
Have the motherboard bugs been largely resolved at this point? (Like inconsistent booting, dropping the OC etc).
Have the motherboard bugs been largely resolved at this point? (Like inconsistent booting, dropping the OC etc).
Ryzen 12nm refresh for the 2xxx series did that. They got a much stronger mem controller from what I've seen. Would have got a 2950X but my mem's crap so no point