AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Journey]

Oh same here. Im likely going to be buying Zen 2.
But Im not going around saying "x" chip is a certain spec or discussing what we are planning to buy based on leaks. We just don't know what is coming yet.

I'm unsure if you are in the minority or the majority, the fact you have been waiting 4 years, and keep flip-flopping about when and what you will buy means you are much less likely to make a rash decision. Some people on the other hand, myself included work with these things every day and don't have to put so much effort into the decision, just buy one or two and then change it if we want decide it's not what we expected.

My Mrs bought her last car before she'd saw it or drove one of them, and that was a little bit more money than a CPU.

 

[MasterOC]

Both the 3 and 4 series boards support 4000 memory, you just have bugger all chance of running it that fast .

I'm interested to see if Zen 2 can run faster memory on 3/4 series boards. Will be completely "unsupported" and YMMV but should be possible

To be fair i think 98% of high end AM4 boards support 3466 as absolute maximum. Only Asrock and their Taichi live in laa laa land to offer 4000Mhz support Afaik. Hopefully as this is another vendor offering that speed that this will be something with a little bit more substance. One can only wait and see i guess... im crossing fingers toes and genitles that it makes my 2700x look ancient.

Well the IMC is ultimatly the big deciding factor , aslong as theres nothing electriccly stopping it on X470/B450 boards i cant see why i wouldnt . but again time will tell.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Both the 3 and 4 series boards support 4000 memory, you just have bugger all chance of running it that fast .

I'm interested to see if Zen 2 can run faster memory on 3/4 series boards. Will be completely "unsupported" and YMMV but should be possible

Vendors often design boards around the nuances of the generation of CPU that they were built for. With memory, these things often don't allign well when tuning for the top end of the spectrum.

Although, you'd likely see better results pairing a gen 1 CPU with a 570x board. Depending on what board you choose

 

[Yaayuh!]

Although, you'd likely see better results pairing a gen 1 CPU with a 570x board. Depending on what board you choose

Interesting

Have you got an Asus X570 board at the moment? I know it's a way off yet, but can you hint as to whether their BIOS is remotely mature at the current stage? You know, given their track record and all.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Interesting

Have you got an Asus X570 board at the moment? I know it's a way off yet, but can you hint as to whether their BIOS is remotely mature at the current stage? You know, given their track record and all.

Yes it is. It won't be anything like Gen 1 launch if that's what you're worried about, but then that goes without saying

 

[Grim5]

3700 or 3700x ES appears on user bench

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/16910589

3.4ghz bade clock speed
80ns memory latency
Same integer ipc score as zen in the integer test
20% better ipc in floating point test

So lower latency than zen and hopefully higher clock speeds for games, but I’ve heard amd was behind intel in integer scores which had the greatest impact for games so we may see zen 2 not beat Intel in games

 

[Sargatanas2511]

3700 or 3700x ES appears on user bench

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/16910589

Must be a very early sample or the boost just isn't showing up right.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Some earlier steppings might not even work with the latest AGESA so I'd take any leaks with a grain of salt in terms of performance (for better or worse)

 

[Yaayuh!]

Yes it is. It won't be anything like Gen 1 launch if that's what you're worried about, but then that goes without saying

*Thumbs up*

 

[Danny75]

3700 or 3700x ES appears on user bench

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/16910589

3.4ghz bade clock speed
80ns memory latency
Same integer ipc score as zen in the integer test
20% better ipc in floating point test

So lower latency than zen and hopefully higher clock speeds for games, but I’ve heard amd was behind intel in integer scores which had the greatest impact for games so we may see zen 2 not beat Intel in games

Why did they use such slow 1600 memory?

 

[Webster]

Why did they use such slow 1600 memory?

3200 is the sweet spot is it not?

 

[d_brennen]

3200 is the sweet spot is it not?

Was for Zen+.

Good scores for an ES none the less, assuming legit

 

[Webster]

Was for Zen+.

Good scores for an ES none the less, assuming legit

Yeah mean't more that 1600 = 3200 which is far from slow

 

[Danny75]

3200 is the sweet spot is it not?

Not that I've spent much time doing so but looking at other RAM benchmarks on UserBenchmark, they show the correct full double data rate speed, i.e. @2933MHz, @3000MHz etc. Yet this one showed @1600MHz, so it was either 1600, or 3200 and not displaying like other entries for some reason.

 

[Webster]

Not that I've spent much time doing so but looking at other RAM benchmarks on UserBenchmark, they show the correct full double data rate speed, i.e. @2933MHz, @3000MHz etc. Yet this one showed @1600MHz, so it was either 1600, or 3200 and not displaying like other entries for some reason.

Ah fair enough mate, odd then as you say if it is running @ 1600 that would be very low.

 

[Danny75]

Ah fair enough mate, odd then as you say if it is running @ 1600 that would be very low.

Yeah. Example of what I mean:

Spoiler

 

[Orange Nexus]

To be fair i think 98% of high end AM4 boards support 3466 as absolute maximum. Only Asrock and their Taichi live in laa laa land to offer 4000Mhz support Afaik. Hopefully as this is another vendor offering that speed that this will be something with a little bit more substance. One can only wait and see i guess... im crossing fingers toes and genitles that it makes my 2700x look ancient.

Well the IMC is ultimatly the big deciding factor , aslong as theres nothing electriccly stopping it on X470/B450 boards i cant see why i wouldnt . but again time will tell.

The Asus Prime X470 Pro has a choice of up to 4200MHz for RAM freq in BIOS. My 3200 MHz has only gone as high as 3533 CL14 just for benching.

EDIT: 80 ns on that userbench mark. I get the same latency at 2400MHz.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

Ah fair enough mate, odd then as you say if it is running @ 1600 that would be very low.

It's potentially a first test so they wanted no potential stresses or crashes?

Maybe look at Zen/Zen+ ES benchmarks and see if they follow a similar pattern.

 

[NinjaCool]

Countdown to AMD Keynote at Computex 2019.
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdo...D+Keynote+at+Computex+2019&ud=1&font=sanserif

It's around 4AM early morning for us EU folks but things should hopefully be interesting when we wake up!

 

[Murphy]

Short video from Buildzoids on that Biostar MoBo, worth bearing in mind he is an extreme overclocker so he tends to talk about things from that perspective.

Gives some thoughts on that silly fan, seems it's going to be a thing for most manufactures but by the sounds of it you could yank the fan as it only get really hot under 'certain' conditions.