What has that got to do with what I said? If their final figure is 18% I'd still expect 12-15% realistically because marketing.
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That is what he does. Misleading or straight up misinformation. I really don't know what his agenda is. Unfortunately a casual browser, who doesn't know better, might actually believe some of the outlandish "facts".
How is that relevant to what he said? Of course they have time to tune it, however when a company announces perf figures they are usually to put the product in it's best light. In turn a 13% claimed improvement may be only a 10% actual improvement for the majority of users.
So what's that got to do with what I said? My targets are 10% IPC and 4.8GHz boost. If AMD's Zen team give a better result then fantastic, but having overly hyped expectations to be dashed is pointless. FYI 4.8GHz with a 10% IPC increase would equal ~5.25GHz in current Intel GHz. So yeah...
Based on what? How do you come to these figures?
From the multitude of different predictions, statements and other information that's been presented over the last 6 months or so of Zen 2 information and leaks. The main points are that a 4.4GHz to 4.8GHz with a 10% avg IPC increase seems to be on the conservative side of all the predictions of AMD's potential for the Zen 2 architecture. It's actually likely those figures will end up being the low-mid level Ryzen 3xxx CPU's. However even if it becomes the top end, that still equates to the fastest Intel can provide and to me that would be enough to choose an AMD CPU for my next build.
I've seen the 29% FPU IPC increase in the specific Scientific workload release, that was interesting but it's a very specialised workload. Why cite it as the IPC increase??? Unless you either want to foster hype, push an agenda, or just flat out lie to the people you are addressing...
Unless you categorize that 29% increase as being as specific FPU workload, it's meaningless and at the same time destructive if applied without that caveat. It also lowers the credibility of those reporting that with a headline that can be easily misinterpreted and just foster further misinformation. Unless of course that is your goal...
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I'll take that as a no. So why lie in the title about the IPC increase? Why not title it:
AMD shows 29% IPC increase in FPU workloads
Not bloody hard to be truthful, instead of clickbait.
I guess because they consider the target audience that will not understand. I don't know who reads them.
It is integer and floating point.
Even if the target audience doesn't comprehend the distinction at least those that do will. The tech press doesn't need to muddy the already muddy waters further. Making a title that's a statement of 29% IPC increase is just a flat out lie. It doesn't help AMD, it doesn't help Intel all it does is foster nonsense.
It's a lie of omission instead of a tacit lie, however the result is the same.
Technically, it isn't a lie. Morally, you can fight and argue that it maybe lacks further explanation, but which you can find further in the text.
Also, the IPC can range from 1% lift to 200% lift. Depending on the case.
It is a lie of omission. The 29% applies to a specific workload. Omit that detail and the 29% is false. It's a lie.
Even worse considering Guru3D already did an article on the predicted 13% average IPC uplift...
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when AMD is saying STFU, maybe AMD shills should really take the hint and STFU?
AMD has issued a statement to address media reports that its upcoming Zen 2 microarchitecture could offer a 29 percent performance uplift over previous-generation Zen parts, clarifying that the figure quoted by the media is related to a very specific workload only and should not be taken as a general improvement in instructions per clock (IPC).
This was widely reported as proving a 29 percent improvement in IPC, but AMD has quickly announced that no such massive general improvement should be expected - though IPC is, indeed, improved.
https://bit-tech.net/news/tech/cpus/amd-downplays-29-percent-zen-2-ipc-boost-reports/1/
Lots of nonsense out there these days.
Either self interested news outlets with click bait headlines, cherry picking data to get clicks.
Shills from the other team over hyping so even good improvements look disappointing relative to the exaggerated figures.
It's everywhere, news, politics, business. A cultural disease that should be eradicated as soon as possible.
Hype aside I can see Ryzen 3000 replacing my 2500K in the not too distant future. I reckon Gibbo will need some extra staff to keep up with the orders
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Either self interested news outlets with click bait headlines, cherry picking data to get clicks.
Shills from the other team over hyping so even good improvements look disappointing relative to the exaggerated figures.
It's everywhere, news, politics, business. A cultural disease that should be eradicated as soon as possible.
Hype aside I can see Ryzen 3000 replacing my 2500K in the not too distant future. I reckon Gibbo will need some extra staff to keep up with the orders
Edit: typo
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What's the rough estimate of hhowuc& an improvement a 3700x compared to an i7 2600k? I'm guessing quite massive even in games.
So probably 3X on my 2500K. A sizeable improvement, I'm really looking forward to an upgrade. A lot of applications can max out the 4 cores on my cpu now.
I have a GTX 1070 and the 2500K definitely struggles to keep up.
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Sorry I'm on my phone, it should have said how much of a difference will it make. I'm finding since going to a gtx 1080 it's a bit held back by this CPU (especially on games like bfv).