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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

Looks like I might not have this 2700x for very long then! Think the upper mid range appeals the most, 5.0ghz would be ideal, core count I'm not really bothered about as 8 it's more than enough, 12 would be a bonus.
 
I'm going to be a little more pessimistic about the IPC, i'm going to say 10%.

I am conservative on the +15% IPC. AMD said that Zen was the worst case scenario, also with Zen+ the IPC barely moved at all. If they take all the low-hanging fruit and work on double/triple/quadruple some of the specifications, it might be completely possible to get +20% IPC.

Look:



 
I am conservative on the +15% IPC. AMD said that Zen was the worst case scenario, also with Zen+ the IPC barely moved at all. If they take all the low-hanging fruit and work on double/triple/quadruple some of the specifications, it might be completely possible to get +20% IPC.

Look:

Before this gets Chinese Whisper warped into "AMD Said +20% IPC Zen to Zen 2" none of these slides indicate that, as a matter of fact AMD were quick to say the leaks of 29% IPC gain were very specific workloads, altho there would be an uplift in IPC it wouldn't be anywhere near that touted 29%.

Look, AMD made a massive leap from Excavator, 52%, its actually over 70% vs the one we all know, the FX series, Vishera/Bulldozer..... but it was an improvement from an architectural mistake AMD made 5 years ago and could not afford to put right quickly, inventing new architectures costs a huge amount of money and takes years.
Don't expect any dramatic up lifts with Ryzen 3000, its an improved version of an existing architecture, and you know what? in a fight vs Intel its enough to match them in per-core performance for a lot less money and more cores, that's great.
 
Before this gets Chinese Whisper warped into "AMD Said +20% IPC Zen to Zen 2" none of these slides indicate that, as a matter of fact AMD were quick to say the leaks of 29% IPC gain were very specific workloads, altho there would be an uplift in IPC it wouldn't be anywhere near that touted 29%.

Look, AMD made a massive leap from Excavator, 52%, its actually over 70% vs the one we all know, the FX series, Vishera/Bulldozer..... but it was an improvement from an architectural mistake AMD made 5 years ago and could not afford to put right quickly, inventing new architectures costs a huge amount of money and takes years.
Don't expect any dramatic up lifts with Ryzen 3000, its an improved version of an existing architecture, and you know what? in a fight vs Intel its enough to match them in per-core performance for a lot less money and more cores, that's great.

The slides indicate that AMD beats its plan. If they plan 10-15% IPC, it may turn in reality more. 10% IPC is not that much for such a full die shrink.
Also, it is never great to play the catch up game with Intel - Intel hasn't even moved yet to 10nm and when it happens, guess what - the performance crown will again be theirs and people like @easyrider will buy the i9-9900K replacement.
AMD needs the absolute performance crown.
 
The slides indicate that AMD beats its plan. If they plan 10-15% IPC, it may turn in reality more. 10% IPC is not that much for such a full die shrink.
Also, it is never great to play the catch up game with Intel - Intel hasn't even moved yet to 10nm and when it happens, guess what - the performance crown will again be theirs and people like @easyrider will buy the i9-9900K replacement.
AMD needs the absolute performance crown.

Don't be so sure about Intel with 10nm, Intel are able to get 5Ghz clocks because 14nm is very very mature, the 10nm chips will not achieve anything like that and yet again Icelake looks like yet another reiteration of Skylake, Intel are already talking about them as "Energy Effient"
 
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