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KungFuSpaghetti said:
Never said anything about overclocking, but after recently just building myself an AMD system, they are sensitive to RAM speeds, type, timings. If I'd have just built this and powered it on and done nothing, my RAM would be running at 2133mhz where it's significantly handicapped. As for Intel paying OEM's to not sell AMD, that was in the past? If that was happening now someone would know and it would be leaked. AMD's issue is that the general public have no idea who or what they are, but they know intel from those blokes in funny coloured space suits. Geeks on an enthusiast forum don't represent anything close to reality or the general public buying a PC.
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AMD has always had issues with the new for the time being memory controllers, I remember the Radeon HD 4890 which was otherwise a perfect card, defaulted its GDDR5 memory to their maximum voltage and frequency to stay in idle.
Your memory running at 2133 must have been either BIOS immaturity (OEM fault) or false modules which were not intended for compatibility with your CPU. This is why you read manuals which modules and under which circumstances will run at which speeds.

OEM's fault - do you remember how stagnant the Ryzen launch was, the OEMs were not prepared for the demand... :rolleyes:
 
I just put two builds together this afternoon, almost identical R5 2600 on cheapo B450 boards, using cheapo micron DDR4-2400 RAM. Booted systems, bumped the RAM to 3000MHz, and they are rock stable running a burn in test on them still, it was like soooooo hard Paris Hilton could have done it. :p :D
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Yeah your ram would be running at 2133mhz on intel as well if you don't turn xpm on, you do the same with AMD, there is no difference. As for ram issues on ryzen that is more to do with 1st gen ryzen, x470/B450 and the 2000 Zens run way better out the box.
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This is true, but the difference in scaling isn't anything like as dramatic as it is on Ryzen. If a family member asked me to recommend them a PC out the box solution, I'd not want the phone calls and hassle, so I'd be recommending Intel. I personally don't mind playing about in the BIOS, I do mind being ripped off though, hence I went Ryzen and have ZERO regrets, but out the box, had I left it just as it was, I'd have been pretty underwhelmed. On the flip side, once they iron out these issues, Intel will be in trouble.
 
4K8KW10 said:
Your memory running at 2133 must have been either BIOS immaturity (OEM fault) or false modules which were not intended for compatibility with your CPU. This is why you read manuals which modules and under which circumstances will run at which speeds.
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You've misunderstood, I don't have any issues with my RAM, it runs perfectly fine at 3466 CL14 thanks :)
 
KungFuSpaghetti said:
This is true, but the difference in scaling isn't anything like as dramatic as it is on Ryzen. If a family member asked me to recommend them a PC out the box solution, I'd not want the phone calls and hassle, so I'd be recommending Intel. I personally don't mind playing about in the BIOS, I do mind being ripped off though, hence I went Ryzen and have ZERO regrets, but out the box, had I left it just as it was, I'd have been pretty underwhelmed. On the flip side, once they iron out these issues, Intel will be in trouble.
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Please, no!
I will show you something - I open the link of the website and go to the DDR4 modules - take the first available and show you: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...al-channel-kit-grey-tlgd416g30-my-087-tg.html



Some other modules are not specified and tested to run on Ryzen - but that doesn't mean you need to recommend intel as the only solution. It is nonsense.
 
4K8KW10 said:
Please, no!
I will show you something - I open the link of the website and go to the DDR4 modules - take the first available and show you:

Some other modules are not specified and tested to run on Ryzen - but that doesn't mean you need to recommend intel as the only solution. It is nonsense.
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Dude, seriously, what are you talking about? My comment was in regards to OEMs mainly using Intel, which is basically because the general public cant use a PC and don't know or give a cr4p about the difference between DDR2666 or DDR3200, nor will they know or care what an XMP profile is. I don't mind having a Ryzen as I like messing and I enjoy tweaking things, but they are not as plug and play or switch on and forget, especially when certain windows updates can cause BSODs (1802 and 1809 spring to mind as recent ones my boss' PC had).

Again, if a family member or friend wanted a PC, I'd recommend an Intel OEM or build them an Intel. I know it's not the only option, but having a wife, kid, demanding job, I can do without the hassle of fixing peoples PC's.

***Note to self, don't mention Intel on an AMD thread!***
 
KungFuSpaghetti said:
Dude, seriously, what are you talking about? My comment was in regards to OEMs mainly using Intel, which is basically because the general public cant use a PC and don't know or give a cr4p about the difference between DDR2666 or DDR3200, nor will they know or care what an XMP profile is. I don't mind having a Ryzen as I like messing and I enjoy tweaking things, but they are not as plug and play or switch on and forget, especially when certain windows updates can cause BSODs (1802 and 1809 spring to mind as recent ones my boss' PC had).

Again, if a family member or friend wanted a PC, I'd recommend an Intel OEM or build them an Intel. I know it's not the only option, but having a wife, kid, demanding job, I can do without the hassle of fixing peoples PC's.
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OEMs mainly using intel is called corruption, strong economic lobbies and pure stupidity.
Intel-based systems also need troubleshooting and quite often so.
 
KungFuSpaghetti said:
Uh oh, we're going all 911 conspiracy theory... I'll leave you and your tin foil hat to it ;)
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Better leave your Ryzen system to someone who will appreciate it and then buy an inferior and more expensive intel one :D

pete910 said:
Can some explain what the USA'a emergency phone number has to do with conspiracies :confused:
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That's just a weird""? coincidence :D 9 stands for Sep, 11 for the date.
 
pete910 said:
Can some explain what the USA'a emergency phone number has to do with conspiracies :confused:
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911 was the date lol.

4K8KW10 said:
Better leave your Ryzen system to someone who will appreciate it and then buy an inferior and more expensive intel one :D
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I'm happy with my Ryzen, actually, I'm really really happy with it... but not to the point that if it grew a d!ck I would suck it off. If money was no object I'd have certainly considered buying an i9 9900k, but hopefully would have seen sense and still gone Ryzen due to the non limited shelf life.
 
OEMs use Intel because historically they were threatened by Intel/bribed with contrarevenue and the simple fact, also historically, Intel could ramp production on their own fabs to meet any demand. AMD could not, it's not clear how scalable their production is now they are competing with everyone for fab time. Building OEM trust is going to take serious time
 
Well hopefully AMD's new lineup proves to be correct as per the rumours, no reason for these not to be true as it's all well within the realms of realism regarding power envelope, clock speeds and core/thread count. Intel need some competition... actually, they need some to be better than they are, which it looks like AMD are about to be. Fierce competition is great for consumers, (hopefully) better prices/value and the tech race will be back on, so hopefully things wont stagnate as much. There's no way my old x58 system should have even been remotely relevant in this day and age!
 
KungFuSpaghetti said:
Well hopefully AMD's new lineup proves to be correct as per the rumours, no reason for these not to be true as it's all well within the realms of realism regarding power envelope, clock speeds and core/thread count. Intel need some competition... actually, they need some to be better than they are, which it looks like AMD are about to be. Fierce competition is great for consumers, (hopefully) better prices/value and the tech race will be back on, so hopefully things wont stagnate as much. There's no way my old x58 system should have even been remotely relevant in this day and age!
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There is fierce competition right now - till January 2017 all we had was a quad-core / octo-threads i7, now we have Threadrippers with up to 32-core / 64-thread count.
Next year, with AMD going to 7nm, there will be no fierce competition anymore, there will be a total Intel demolition.
I hope that at some point You will start recommending AMD systems to the people around... Poor people :(
 
DragonQ said:
That's because the bit rate is absurdly low. Quality source material looks much better with no/minimal post-processing.
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There must be extreme processing to recover the missing bits. There are technologies and algorithms to do so. Our processors sit virtually idle - why wasting so much CPU time doing nothing instead of increasing the quality of our experience?!
 
Sweet Jebbus not the Ryzing Black Edition. Are you mad sir?

Do you want the 3, 5, 7 or 9 edition Sir.

All of our chips support multiple operations at Once sir.

Oh Sir, Suit You Sir, the 9 Sir. Of course sir.
 
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