AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Nghtmare]

I was interested on getting the Hero since now I have a Strix Z270E but they seem expensive. I guess my Strix 1080ti will have to get along with a different mobo brand.

 

[humbug]

That's not the same thing.
You could take probably taken an FX8350 to an i5 3570K and done the exact same thing and tanked the i5. Wouldn't have proved anything.

It proves you can use a higher quality setting and maintain 60 FPS. the 9900K fell on its face because it ran out of cores, which is a more expensive CPU, its completely valid.

 

[humbug]

Yes but the equivalent X570 board is 700 pounds

Because of PCIe 4 X570 have 8 layer PCB's, that's server grade, when Intel eventually have their own PCIe 4 boards they will be just as expensive.

You can still get an X570 for £150, or just get an X470 / B450 if you don't want PCIe 4.

 

[Steveocee]

I'm looking forward to seeing some real user benchmarks for these things and which compare with what. It's easy to fill the conversation with bluster about price per core and price vs performance etc but most of us in this pocket emptying hobby just want real figures. Does X perform better than Y ? If so "Add to basket".

I kind of "want" my Intel to be unseated but as I already own it, it's not a case of which is best value, it's just, is it better?

 

[Potatowithearsontheside]

As i said above AMD used a higher quality setting than GN used, I don't really know what Steve's problem is, either its a test of how good a CPU can stream and game at the same time or you're using lower quality settings that don't really stress the CPU's, in which case its not really a test of'

Honestly i just don't get Steve on this and he has not explained himself so i don't think he has an argument, Steve sometimes likes to draw attention to the size of his ego when it comes to stuff hardware and this to me looks like one of those occasions.

I agree fully with this.
What I'd like to see is a demo of a stream whereby the 3900X uses the low preset, and then the 9900K uses whatever preset is needed to match the 3900X's framerate when gaming. And then display the streams to allow the viewer to see the visual difference in quality of stream. It'd be like AMD saying "sure, a 9900K can stream well whilst gaming, but which of these stream qualities do you think the viewer will prefer watching?"
Ultimately, the streamer with the higher fidelity stream will likely having the greater number of followers, thus make greater income.

 

[DragonQ]

Because of PCIe 4 X570 have 8 layer PCB's, that's server grade, when Intel eventually have their own PCIe 4 boards they will be just as expensive.

You can still get an X570 for £150, or just get an X470 / B450 if you don't want PCIe 4.

Last time around I bought a long-lasting system but narrowly missed out on both USB 3.0 and PCIe 3.0, so don't really want to be stuck with PCIe 3.0 this time around. Tough choice though if the prices end up being wildly different. I don't need crazy features, just a solid board like the Asus X370-PRIME PRO in my server.

 

[Potatowithearsontheside]

And considering the 3900X doesn't exist for consumers yet, they're obviously managing somehow without running a slide show.

Where would the human race be if we just settled for what we already have?
The whole point of innovation is to explore new frontiers.
The whole comparison misses out one other crucial tidbit; that wasn't even the 16c 3950X used in the demo. AMD are saying that you can do much much more with 1 CPU at the same price. In fact, you'd need 2 9900K CPUs to do what they demonstrated with just 1 of their own.

It is amusing that heavy AVX workloads where used as benchmarks to belittle Ryzen previously, exposing a known weakness. Is it wrong to promote the benefits of what your product can do? I think not.

 

[SiDeards73]

Just been checking out Asrocks site, the x570 is not much different than the x470 Taichi with regards to VRM's and other features, however its clear the x570 is a much superior built motherboard, and you can see where the extra cash is going. I like the look of the Phantom Gaming X as well but something tells me this will be £350+ territory, which im not going near for a PCIE4 motherboard when we will probably need to swap again in 2 years for PCIE5 and DDR5.

Really need to see how the Ryzen 3800x / 3900x fair in top end x470 motherboards as i may end up just going down that route, im not interested in Navi as its barely better than my Vega 64, so really comes down to if i can get my ram to run at its rated 3600 C16 and pushing the CPU to a decent speed, if i can do all of that on the x470 then i'll skip x570, but if not, then i'll end up just buying the x570 Taichi, as its spec sheet looks pretty good.

Sadly we have a month more before we find out, quite surprised AMD didnt let reviewers release reviews earlier so people could make informed choices before release day.

 

[DaveGW]

I am, i would say pretty conservative in my anticipation of AMD 3000 + Navi. With the X570 being expensive from the get go, the 3000 being 105 w_tdp, and then throw in Navi....with all the heat, what kind of wattage are we talking about?. I just don't think at the end of the day, with all of the fuss, AMD will cut it, it just seems like another attempt at the challenge where they fall short again. And god only knows what mind games AMD are going to put into practice, when it comes to Availability and stock , they will probably go for the ''hold back, create a feeding frenzy, i can't get it , so i want it'' mentality. I foresee a shortage of these products for a long time. Or am i paranoid?

 

[Journey]

so really comes down to if i can get my ram to run at its rated 3600 C16 and pushing the CPU to a decent speed, if i can do all of that on the x470 then i'll skip x570

You should have no problem doing that with an X470 board, as long as the BIOS is up to date for the 3xxx gen with all the latest additions.

Sadly we have a month more before we find out, quite surprised AMD didnt let reviewers release reviews earlier so people could make informed choices before release day.

From what information I have been given, there is still a significant amount of work going on with X570. The boards are not ready for release for testing as there is a great deal of more thorough compatibility testing taking place to ensure maximum stability and correct function of not just the RAM, but also by the look of things the clock control etc. I'd imagine that some sample boards for reviewers will be shipping soon, and that BIOS's will be provided when they are complete. Hopefully the stock shipping into the channel will be as up to date as possible, but I doubt that will hold true for all board from all manufacturers.

 

[Journey]

I am, i would say pretty conservative in my anticipation of AMD 3000 + Navi. With the X570 being expensive from the get go, the 3000 being 105 w_tdp, and then throw in Navi....with all the heat, what kind of wattage are we talking about?. I just don't think at the end of the day, with all of the fuss, AMD will cut it, it just seems like another attempt at the challenge where they fall short again. And god only knows what mind games AMD are going to put into practice, when it comes to Availability and stock , they will probably go for the ''hold back, create a feeding frenzy, i can't get it , so i want it'' mentality. I foresee a shortage of these products for a long time. Or am i paranoid?

Conservative or just ill informed? Tell me what is the rated TDP difference of the 3950X 16c/32t vs the 8c/16 2700X?

Can't tell you much about Navi, but it looks like the 5700 XT is 225w vs something like 175W for the RTX 2070

You are paranoid, as you put it. Stock for the CPU's will be plentiful, much to the annoyance of retailers who'd want to gouge the heck out of it, specific motherboards on the other hand may be in short supply for the first couple of weeks.

 

[DragonQ]

Just been checking out Asrocks site, the x570 is not much different than the x470 Taichi with regards to VRM's and other features, however its clear the x570 is a much superior built motherboard, and you can see where the extra cash is going. I like the look of the Phantom Gaming X as well but something tells me this will be £350+ territory, which im not going near for a PCIE4 motherboard when we will probably need to swap again in 2 years for PCIE5 and DDR5.

What gives you the impression that it's "much superior built"?

 

[SiDeards73]

You should have no problem doing that with an X470 board, as long as the BIOS is up to date for the 3xxx gen with all the latest additions.



From what information I have been given, there is still a significant amount of work going on with X570. The boards are not ready for release for testing as there is a great deal of more thorough compatibility testing taking place to ensure maximum stability and correct function of not just the RAM, but also by the look of things the clock control etc. I'd imagine that some sample boards for reviewers will be shipping soon, and that BIOS's will be provided when they are complete. Hopefully the stock shipping into the channel will be as up to date as possible, but I doubt that will hold true for all board from all manufacturers.

Cheers for the heads up, i'll probably just go with x470 then, i dont need PCIE4, Navi offers me nothing over Vega, and i doubt i'll upgrade again before DDR5 and PCIE5 anyhow.

 

[Ross Thomson]

Really need to see how the Ryzen 3800x / 3900x fair in top end x470 motherboards as i may end up just going down that route, im not interested in Navi as its barely better than my Vega 64, so really comes down to if i can get my ram to run at its rated 3600 C16 and pushing the CPU to a decent speed, if i can do all of that on the x470 then i'll skip x570, but if not, then i'll end up just buying the x570 Taichi, as its spec sheet looks pretty good.

This is my plan (not to buy the Taichi though) - If I do buy a x570 I'll over spend on one of the top tier boards.

What gives you the impression that it's "much superior built"?

because its server grade ha ha ha ha

 

[orbitalwalsh]

You should have no problem doing that with an X470 board, as long as the BIOS is up to date for the 3xxx gen with all the latest additions.



From what information I have been given, there is still a significant amount of work going on with X570. The boards are not ready for release for testing as there is a great deal of more thorough compatibility testing taking place to ensure maximum stability and correct function of not just the RAM, but also by the look of things the clock control etc. I'd imagine that some sample boards for reviewers will be shipping soon, and that BIOS's will be provided when they are complete. Hopefully the stock shipping into the channel will be as up to date as possible, but I doubt that will hold true for all board from all manufacturers.

almost as though AMD and vendors have learnt from the pit falls of ryzen 1/200 launch and getting AGESA version as good as it can be !
stock should be shipping soon enough though , as you say, board will be sent first and then an updated BIOS to show vendor products in their best light

What gives you the impression that it's "much superior built"?

might be PCB layers, more layers the better . VRMs used as well as controller and doublers used . Memory channel path ways. and PCIe 4.0 as a whole new ball game ( reason why boards are roughly 15% more then z390)

 

[orbitalwalsh]

This is my plan (not to buy the Taichi though) - If I do buy a x570 I'll over spend on one of the top tier boards.




because its server grade ha ha ha ha

if you have an Aorus 7, Taichi or Hero, I wouldn't bother ! most likely they are paired with samsung B-Die to allow for good overclocking with ryzen ram calculator

 

[SiDeards73]

What gives you the impression that it's "much superior built"?

Look at the motherboard layers? its what? 8 layer server grade PCB? they put a ruddy great metal plate / heatsink on the back, it has superior wifi etc, all round the better x570 boards (read non entry level) seem to be far better quality than the revisions on the previous gen.

Take the x570 Taichi, i had Asrocks site up to compare them both, yes a lot of the features are identical, but the actual build quality of the X570 is miles ahead, obviously it needs to be for PCIE4 i believe, this is where the extra cost is going i think. Plus like i say superior wifi on the newer boards, yes this is irrelevant to most but for me it gives me the freedom to place my PC in parts of my house i couldnt normally Its actually one of the main features im looking at on my next motherboard as we have finished renovating and i want to move my PC to our conservatory and i never wired in ethernet to there at the time as i didnt think id need it lol.

 

[TrixP10]

I am, i would say pretty conservative in my anticipation of AMD 3000 + Navi. With the X570 being expensive from the get go, the 3000 being 105 w_tdp, and then throw in Navi....with all the heat, what kind of wattage are we talking about?. I just don't think at the end of the day, with all of the fuss, AMD will cut it, it just seems like another attempt at the challenge where they fall short again. And god only knows what mind games AMD are going to put into practice, when it comes to Availability and stock , they will probably go for the ''hold back, create a feeding frenzy, i can't get it , so i want it'' mentality. I foresee a shortage of these products for a long time. Or am i paranoid?

"I am, i would say pretty conservative in my anticipation of AMD 3000 + Navi" - I would say something entirely different about your position on AMD.
"the 3000 being 105 w_tdp, and then throw in Navi....with all the heat, what kind of wattage are we talking about"? - Certainly not worth a reply.
"they will probably go for the ''hold back, create a feeding frenzy" - LOL, of course they will, what company would want increased sales ROFL.

man what a post.

 

[Journey]

Cheers for the heads up, i'll probably just go with x470 then, i dont need PCIE4, Navi offers me nothing over Vega, and i doubt i'll upgrade again before DDR5 and PCIE5 anyhow.

No worries, the confidence level in forward compatibility e.g. X470 with Ryzen 3800X is very high, and the evidence I have been given supports this for the most part. I still have queries outstanding with a couple of B350 ITX + 3900X, but those are edge cases, and I doubt there would be many people doing this in the enthusiast space.

If you already own a good GPU and board, then swapping the CPU if you need/want to seems a good option this time round, the big winners are going to be those on good X370 boards though!

 

[chroniclard]

I will wait for some other guinea pigs to try out Ryzen 2 on Crosshair VI first.