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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***
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MSI gaming M7 - VRM fine etc etc etc. but I like shiny new things
seems MSI like other followed suit with their z390 line and VRMs used are much better quality - either more power, cleaner delivery or cooler running . but yeah, your running 12 phases ( 6 doublers) you'd be fine enough on that front
think, could the money saved on spending for anx570 Ace ( z390 MSI Ace is £250 + 15% = £290), but used to moving from say 3800x to 3900x or increasing your PC somewhere else ?
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I have the CH6 and its been decent, but i think it may hold back a 3800x / 3900x, i remember reading something recently about the way memory is handled has been changed on x470 and x570 from x370... that may explain why i struggle to get my ram over 3200mhz, so im thinking a change to a newer x470 is the way to go, a lot comes down to price tbh, i can pick up an x470 Taichi for like £180 if the x570 Taichi comes in around £230 i'd bite, but anything more than that and id just go with x470.
I think you will pleasantly surprised how well your CH6 does with the new 3xxx CPU's and there is certainly no harm in seeing first hand, rather than blowing a load of money for possibly no gain at all. Also don't forget the board makers want to make some serious money with this generation, due to the amount of time they have spent designing and making the boards a reality, and having people who bought in at the high end with X370 will see them no benefit, unless you want PCI-E 4.0.
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Just wanted Buildzoids views on 1st and 2nd gen AMD motherboards vs new X570 and he basically summed up what your saying, CH6 should be fine for 3800x/3900x and OC'ing the other thing that worries me is memory compatability, but he reckons it should hopefully be good for 3600mhz C16 ram... he said Asus CH6 uses T Topology where as x470 and x570 use daisy chain topology for the ram, so that could potentially be a limiting factor, but given as AMD are saying 3600mhz C16 is the sweet spot, if i can hit that on the CH6 then yeah theres no need to swap, especially if i can drop in a 3800x or 3900x and get some decent clocks out of it.
T-topology will affect the speed you can run two sticks at, but all the ASRock X570's are also T-topology. The IMC on the CPU has a much bigger impact than than the DIMM slot layout until you start hitting very high frequencies, and the ability to run 4 sticks at a good speed to me is much more advantageous if you are hoping the system is going to last you for a while. X570 while new and exciting doesn't mean much if you already have a great previous gen board, and don't need PCI-E 4.0.
I bought an Asrock X470 Taichi while waiting for Zen2 after deciding the features of X570 will be something i don't need and pointless to pay the extra for them. But now I am worried that later on when i can replace the pair of 2666 sticks i wouldn't be able to reach 3600 C16
Would you say bios updates and a 3xxx chip into the socket would help this board achieve that or not. I thought Buildzoid said that the X470 Taichi uses daisy chain but now i read it's T-topology
Would you say bios updates and a 3xxx chip into the socket would help this board achieve that or not. I thought Buildzoid said that the X470 Taichi uses daisy chain but now i read it's T-topology
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It's almost impossible to buy a good Am4 board from overclockers right now lol.
I think my main concern os the CPUs. I want to get the 3900X but I will also be happy with the 3800X. I just dont get the why there is such a big difference in TDP with the 3700X since they are both 8c. Is the 105W TDP a sign that it can OC better, or that its better binned? Because matter of fact it matches the 3950X with half the cores.
Wont the new X570 boards have better VRM design and phases? Most of the new ones seem to be really good, I dont know a lot about the X470s.
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seems MSI like other followed suit with their z390 line and VRMs used are much better quality - either more power, cleaner delivery or cooler running . but yeah, your running 12 phases ( 6 doublers) you'd be fine enough on that front
think, could the money saved on spending for anx570 Ace ( z390 MSI Ace is £250 + 15% = £290), but used to moving from say 3800x to 3900x or increasing your PC somewhere else ?
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You can't currently buy an x570 board.
And then there's the potential price increase.
Potentially entry into AM4 is a bit more restrictive price wise.
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Will zen2 be the last AM4 CPU?
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I have 2700 - difference in TDP between it and 2700x is that is clocked slower! all core boost would only hit 3.6ghz all cores on mine , without manual overclocking etc and using custom 360 water loop. 2700x would boost to 4ghz all cores in some cases .
overclocking with my 2700... would only reach 4ghz using a LOT of voltage, 2700x users achieved the same with less .
once again, soon as you manually OC...TDP stated goes right out the window!!!
designs are a lot better bar flagship x470 which should run 16 core ryzens just fine without in theory throttling ...
roll in B550 builds to mop up the budget end and those holding onto their cash knowing its coming
meant to be zen 3 i thought, 2020 based on 7nm+ EUV process . all depends on DDR5 and pin layout
We are supposed to get a refresh of Zen on 7nm+ still on the AM4 socket sometime in 2020.
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That depends on the interpretation of AMD saying "AM4 will be supported until 2020".
If that includes 2020 then we'll get Ryzen 4000 on AM4. Which also indicates that DDR5 and PCIe 5 will wait until 2021 when the socket changes.
If "until 2020" means 2020 is the change year then Ryzen 4000 will need a new socket. But I don't see this happening because it's a year too early for DDR5 and PCIe 5.
Also consider the notion that Zen 2 is so far ahead of Intel right now, there's arguably no rush for AMD to release Zen 3 next year as planned. They could introduce a Zen 2+ where they shrink the existing arch to TSMC 6nm/7nm EUV (or whatever they're calling it these days) to get some practice in, possibly shrink the I/O die too to get practice in there and push Zen 3 back a year just to ensure they keep their momentum. In this situation Zen 2+ would be on AM4 as it's not much different and Zen 3 can be paired up with DDR5 and PCIe 5 in 2021 (nicely coinciding with the SMT thread count going up).
No we're not unless AMD have changed their roadmap. 7nm+ was for Zen 3 in 2020, there's never been a Zen 2+
Of course AMD have the leeway now to introduce a Zen 2+ after all in the face of zero Intel competition as I suggested above.