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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***
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Why people need to spread this fud 3000 series needing new boards.
We already know AMD has stated 50% of power reduction with same clockspeed with Vega. We already know 14/12+nm is pushed well beond its limits with clocks over 4ghz. We already know Rome has not only doubled its core count but also running 150 mhz higher than Epyc1. So double the cores and higher clocks in area of 14/12+nm processes optimal operating window.
Why is it so hard for people to understand that AMD can double the cores and increase clock speeds with Ryzen 3000? Can the B350/B450/X370/X470 boards run overclocked 2600X/2700X chips? Yes. Sho why the F not it could not run chips same kind of power usage?
We already know AMD has stated 50% of power reduction with same clockspeed with Vega. We already know 14/12+nm is pushed well beond its limits with clocks over 4ghz. We already know Rome has not only doubled its core count but also running 150 mhz higher than Epyc1. So double the cores and higher clocks in area of 14/12+nm processes optimal operating window.
Why is it so hard for people to understand that AMD can double the cores and increase clock speeds with Ryzen 3000? Can the B350/B450/X370/X470 boards run overclocked 2600X/2700X chips? Yes. Sho why the F not it could not run chips same kind of power usage?
If the rumours are true the top end chips will be ~140W TDP, versus 105W for the 2700X so it’s a big jump in possible power consumption, there’s also just simple things like voltage regulation required might be different as presumably the new chips will be significantly lower voltage (or is this moved on package with AM4?)
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I see no reason why I won't just be able to bung in any of the new chips in my board and still be able to clock the hell out of it... Well, providing they can actually be overclocked as these 2xxx chips are basically maxed out from the get go.
As it happens, i have no issue with my 2700x being maxed out from the "get go"
Saves all the hours of clocking the cpu. I do love clocking ram though and that is where Ryzen comes into it's own.
125 Watts for the 16 core 3800 and 135 Watt TDP for the 3850 but yes it is higher, 20 to 30% higher.
All the others are still 105 or less.
For the two with higher TDP's doin't you think the existing VRMs on higher end X470 boards are more than capable of handling that?, 8, 10 and 12 Phase VRMs?
I think it will be a similar situation like what happened with the 2xxx chips, Will work on 370 boards but require x470 for PBO ect .
500A, let alone 600A, is extremely high number. At 1V, you would have 500-600W chip. At 1.4V, 700W chip.
A 140W chip at 1.15V would likely draw 'only' about 120A.
It depends on the mobo and the mobo manufacturer. For instance, the CH6 had PBO in the bios along with PE ready to drop in a 2700x and my 2700x runs all cores at 4.25Ghz with single core boost to 4.35Ghz all day long.
As i said in an earlier post though, this will only continue if the mobo manufacturers want it to happen. I can see Asus, for instance, updating the CH6 bios to take Ryzen 2 but then deliberately crippling the bios for the top SKU's. That then forces peeps to buy an X570 to get the best perfomance. I could be wrong of course, but history tells me otherwise.
That sounds like something Asus would do, but the likes of ASRock will be the opposite, endure great customer support for older boards and when you are upgrading or recommending one Asus get over looked for being over priced and with planned obsolescence.
I'm not sure Asus will cripple their top X470 boards to deny the Ryzen 9s given that PCI-E 4 should be enough of a selling point to push X570 and B550 boards anyway, especially if Navi is PCI-E 4 too.
Finances aside, this was a principle reason why I've put a hold on my Ryzen ITX project.
Finances aside, this was a principle reason why I've put a hold on my Ryzen ITX project.
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As it happens, i have no issue with my 2700x being maxed out from the "get go"
Yeah inclined to agree although I do like to mess around a bit but as you say, ram tweaks are where it's at on these. Going from XMP 3200 C14 to 3466 C14 gave a decent jump.
What we know is rumors started (5ghz).
AMD said nothing except moved up the timetable for the 3000 serie release info. (that's interesting)
They may reach 5 or 4.7ghz with a increased ipc and then Intel is doomed for the next 4 years.
They cant die shrink advantage anymore and AMD just did that what Intel milked customers for years with a 5% or less ipc.
Yea, I sit with a asus b350 plus board and with 2 gen ryzen and a third one likely to be supported it was a great buy.
I still will buy a new 570x board as it will last me a few years as nothing else will in the foreseeable future beat it.
The tech is slowing down unless someone invents 3D stacking for cpu and AMD took a new approach and is now beating Intel in many areas. (not all)
Gamers will rejoice as now they can buy any brand and usually that means the better priced for performance wins out.
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It's certainly no rocket science, yet you managed to bungle how P=UI equation is handled, when I is the unknown.It's not rocket science to work out It's 161A
I think you better skip new year's drinks, because ones from Christmas seem to have still some effect.
It's not rocket science to work out It's 161A
Errm... If Intel were quoting the TDP perhaps.
It's certainly no rocket science, yet you managed to bungle how P=UI equation is handled, when I is the unknown.
I think you better skip new year's drinks, because ones from Christmas seem to have still some effect.
*****, My maths is nearly as bad as Humbugs
Also Happy new year