AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[MyBrainz]

If Arma 3 is the ONLY game that AMD is weak at, then surely that suggests there's a "fundamental flaw" in Arma 3

Its the engine thats flawed, Bohemia Interactive made a game too complex for it, and now they're doing the same with DayZ lol

Arma 3 ran terrible on my 4.7Ghz 6700K when around multiple players on a server, the RV engine is crap, always has been and why DayZ is the guinea pig for Arma 4's next engine.. Enfusion.

Arma 3 should never be used as a benchmark either as it way too inconsistent.

HUB have the 8700K 13% faster than 2700X in one of their videos. Im sure Zen 2 is gona catch up in 2 weeks and close down that 13%, but its still a crap engine.

I just hope the Arma 4 devs have better luck running their game than the DayZ devs are having right now.

It isnt just about performance and FPS, Arma and DayZ have always been clunky glitchy bug ridden games, even getting stuck on a rock and dying is still a thing (in Arma).

Why anyone would choose a CPU just to run this crap is beyond me, i saw no difference from my old 6700K to my 2700X. Also, i wasnt seeing anymore loss in performance after switching to Ryzen, with all those Intel security patches.

 

[Jacky60]

The game was designed, and built before Zen samples existed. As such there was no testing, or optimisation done for it. Even now, Ryzen has seen significant performance improvements compared to even Skylake in modern games since its launch.

Arma and games using its engine have not.

At best Zen2 might match similar clocked Intel processors when it launches in that game, but considering it's an extreme outlier in Ryzen performance; I doubt they'll match or beat intel in it.

You'll also still be able to get Intel processors that can clock far higher, and you don't need as many cores in that game, so Ryzen seems less worth consideration.
Guess we'll see on 7/7, but I doubt it'll make any real differences in Arma 3 outside of the clock speed bump the 3000 series has over 1000/2000.

I think you're right but I'm hoping you aren't otherwise I might just wait for Zen3 as I don't want to spend CPU money with Intel or GPU money with Nvidia (haven't had AMD for 5 years).

 

[DylRicho]

They've got a new name for MCE.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-cpu-auto-overclock-performance-maximizer,6179-2.html Intel Performance Maximizer. Like PBO it will be a one-click auto-overclock.

It looks like an addition to MCE, but yes I do agree that it appears to work in the same way that PBO does. Interesting. I guess Intel does have to move forward from its archaic Turbo Boost technology.

The thing about PBO is that it goes above the maximum turbo multiplier, while MCE doesn't. It looks like IPM seeks to change that.

 

[nitram100]

Didn't think this would happen, was so hot for the 3700x but now with the supposed rubbish UK/EU pricing I'm tempted to go for 9700k.

 

[Jacky60]

Its the engine thats flawed, Bohemia Interactive made a game too complex for it, and now they're doing the same with DayZ lol

Arma 3 ran terrible on my 4.7Ghz 6700K when around multiple players on a server, the RV engine is crap, always has been and why DayZ is the guinea pig for Arma 4's next engine.. Enfusion.

Arma 3 should never be used as a benchmark either as it way too inconsistent.

HUB have the 8700K 13% faster than 2700X in one of their videos. Im sure Zen 2 is gona catch up in 2 weeks and close down that 13%, but its still a crap engine.

I just hope the Arma 4 devs have better luck running their game than the DayZ devs are having right now.

It isnt just about performance and FPS, Arma and DayZ have always been clunky glitchy bug ridden games, even getting stuck on a rock and dying is still a thing.

Why anyone would choose a CPU just to run this crap is beyond me, i saw no difference from my old 6700K to my 2700X. Also, i wasnt seeing anymore loss in performance after switching to Ryzen, with all those Intel security patches.

Because my current Haswell 5960X at 4500core/4250cache is fine for every other game I play at 4K. You don't like it, I do. Tell me what game should I be buying for?
It's not a daft hypothetical question just because you don't like/get it.
There's a relatively consistent benchmark (YAAB) and Intel CPUs 9900K/9700K are way better than 2700x and all AMD CPUs. I play 4K, 40 inch screen and the difference can be 20 fps between a 9900K and a 2700X and at frame rates from 35-70 fps that's a big deal.
I'm not interested in the server limitations you encountered because they're irrelevant in this context.
I'm pretty sure the eventual difference will be under 10% but if it's not I'm not buying.
This is a REAL game from 2013 that AMD should be destroying by now.

P.S.Yes I know the engine is ***p and Bohemia should have replaced it 10 years ago.

 

[Journey]

Didn't think this would happen, was so hot for the 3700x but now with the supposed rubbish UK/EU pricing I'm tempted to go for 9700k.

Keyword there, supposed. Pricing is less than $:£, you will be able to get a 3700X for <£320 in release week.

 

[kitfit1]

OEM systems won't be running 3000MHZ.
They're closer to 2133/2400.

That's what we get when we bought a 2200G from Stone as our AMD sample PC.

@Martini1991 wtf has any OEM system got to do with this thread ? You know full well nearly everyone in this thread as well as most other threads on this entire site is an overclocker. If all you want to do is talk about "stock" systems, then wtf are you even bothering posting in here for ?

 

[Troezar]

Keyword there, supposed. Pricing is less than $:£, you will be able to get a 3700X for <£320 in release week.

By that are you expecting prices to rise after release week?

 

[andy_mk3]

Have I been blind or is there very little in the way of the 12c benchmark leaks so far? It's mostly the 8c parts.

 

[MyBrainz]

Because my current Haswell 5960X at 4500core/4250cache is fine for every other game I play at 4K. You don't like it, I do. Tell me what game should I be buying for?
It's not a daft hypothetical question just because you don't like/get it.
There's a relatively consistent benchmark (YAAB) and Intel CPUs 9900K/9700K are way better than 2700x and all AMD CPUs. I play 4K, 40 inch screen and the difference can be 20 fps between a 9900K and a 2700X and at frame rates from 35-70 fps that's a big deal.
This is a REAL game from 2013 that AMD should be destroying by now.

Well if you want to buy new hardware for a game that doesnt have much life left in it thats up to you.

Arma 3 is 6 years old, and iRacing is old too. I suppose its better you wait for these games to have their next instalments before buying new hardware.

Arma 4 wont be too far away now that DayZ has had its full release.

I've heard Arma 4 Beta may come as early as end of 2019/start of 2020. (on that shiny new Enfusion engine too!)

 

[Martini1991]

@Martini1991 wtf has any OEM system got to do with this thread ? You know full well nearly everyone in this thread as well as most other threads on this entire site is an overclocker. If all you want to do is talk about "stock" systems, then wtf are you even bothering posting in here for ?

Calm down.
That's an unacceptable response.

I'm personally going to be running a 3900X OC'ed with at least 3000MHZ RAM.

 

[Potatowithearsontheside]

Didn't think this would happen, was so hot for the 3700x but now with the supposed rubbish UK/EU pricing I'm tempted to go for 9700k.

Terrible exchange rates also apply to Intel products.
I don't see how the 9700K is any cheaper anyway, unless you want a dead-end platform.

 

[Jacky60]

Well if you want to buy new hardware for a game that doesnt have much life left in it thats up to you.

Arma 3 is 6 years old, and iRacing is old too. I suppose its better you wait for these games to have their next instalments before buying new hardware.

Arma 4 wont be too far away now that DayZ has had its full release.

I've heard Arma 4 Beta may come as early as end of 2019/start of 2020.

Good advice I just want a new toy, and there's nothing in the GPU space costing less than £1800 that isn't a side grade

 

[robfosters]

@Martini1991 wtf has any OEM system got to do with this thread ? You know full well nearly everyone in this thread as well as most other threads on this entire site is an overclocker. If all you want to do is talk about "stock" systems, then wtf are you even bothering posting in here for ?

Jesus! You got the decorators in or something?

 

[Martini1991]

Have I been blind or is there very little in the way of the 12c benchmark leaks so far? It's mostly the 8c parts.

I wouldn't put stock in any leaked benchmarks.
Wait until the 7th.

Although I fully expect the 8 Core parts to be the most sought after because £450-£500 CPU's aren't everyone's jam.

 

[Journey]

By that are you expecting prices to rise after release week?

Some places will most certainly burn through stock, and might raise their prices. However as I've said previously there is little to no supply constraint presently, and allocations are being filled with ease and showing on time deliveries across EU/UK channel/disti's. This isn't going to be an 8700K or 9900K launch, stock will be a non-issue for most parts.

 

[Martini1991]

Some places will most certainly burn through stock, and might raise their prices. However as I've said previously there is little to no supply constraint presently, and allocations are being filled with ease and showing on time deliveries across EU/UK channel/disti's. This isn't going to be an 8700K or 9900K launch, stock will be a non-issue for most parts.

Stock issues for Intel are meant to be quite severe.
We were told continuing until mid 2020 IIRC when I was at Stone.

If AMD get solid supply they'll be able to mop up.

 

[andy_mk3]

I wouldn't put stock in any leaked benchmarks.
Wait until the 7th.

Although I fully expect the 8 Core parts to be the most sought after because £450-£500 CPU's aren't everyone's jam.

I wasn't going to take them as gospel, just some numbers to mull over for the next couple of weeks. I really want the 12c for the futureproof aspect of it. Plus I do a lot of flight simming which requires a lot of various programs to be open at once eating up CPU resources.

 

[MyBrainz]

Good advice I just want a new toy, and there's nothing in the GPU space costing less than £1800 that isn't a side grade

Yea i got over 1000 hours in Battle Royale and never played the base game

Seeing the player numbers go down is a sure sign of newer games taking over, i did a bit of PUBG Alpha and Closed Beta but it was too much like H1Z1 and nothing like Arma. I finally uninstalled Arma 3 a couple of months ago.

I ran YAAB a few times after tweaking stuff and it would average around 55fps with the 2700X.

 

[Martini1991]

I wasn't going to take them as gospel, just some numbers to mull over for the next couple of weeks. I really want the 12c for the futureproof aspect of it. Plus I do a lot of flight simming which requires a lot of various programs to be open at once eating up CPU resources.

As long as you're confident the cores will be divvied up, I'd definitely be considering the 12C in that case.