AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[muon]

No, because that was not the original proposition, good attempt at moving the goal posts though.

What do you think we are giving credit for? Forseeing that Zen 2 would exist? Is that what your whole argument boils down to?

Well done on avoiding the question.

Haha, okay. Typical. It has been known for 2 years remark. All ready to discredit him once it does get announced.

He also just guessed chiplets. Was obvious according to you.

Going back to my post. I think that was spot on. You are ready to discredit because Zen 2 has been know about as a concept previously.

It's like me predicting Arsenal will win the Premier League next year by 15 points. Then getting no credit on that prediction (if it happens) because I should have known that Arsenal compete in the Premier League and would likely have won it at some point anyway.

Instead of a single prediction, we are talking about multiple predictions for AdoredTV.

 

[humbug]

No, because that was not the original proposition, good attempt at moving the goal posts though.



Yea of course i have, i just decided not to "discredit Jim" for 3 months because why not, seriously if that's your rebuttal it's pretty weak.



And that's why i offered you the chance to correct the assumption i made from my quick look at his channel, something you chose not to do so i assume i was right in saying he first 'predicated' the RTX naming in September.

Also FYI i can throw as much mud, within the rules, at him or anyone i choose to if they make their opinions known in the public space, that's what making your opinion known in public entails.

Have you ever thought that maybe one of many, and these people you think are slinging mud for his supposedly 'dangerous' skill and accuracy, may actually have a point, if I'm not the first one and if as you seem to be implying there is some sort of conspiracy going on to discredit Jim.

Perhaps the three of you should apply occam's razor instead of these complex theories you're applying.

No because the mud slingers one by one slink off back into gooseberry bush from which they came having been proved wrong.

This is thing about it, people bang on about how his predictions cannot be right, sling mud and them when it turns out his was right those accounts vanish and new ones appear slinging mud again.... its becoming like a carousel of throwaway accounts of mudslingers. As i said, you are not the first and you're not going to be the last.

We're onto it.

 

[LePhuronn]

I can't wait until May and see what Stockholm Syndrome nonsense the Intel fanbois come out with when that 3850X lands

 

[muon]

I can't wait until May and see what Stockholm Syndrome nonsense the Intel fanbois come out with when that 3850X lands

Well I wouldn't say that is confirmed. Anything further in the future naturally becomes more unpredictable as plans change. Same goes for the Navi APUs.

 

[Murphy]

If you are serious about using that link, then you should probably know that a TR2 CPU is just a 32 core EPYC CPU and therefore 'chiplets' were announced when first generation EPYC was is in May 2017. However I've got a funny felling you don't actually know what a proper chiplet is, and should probably do some research first before making yourself looking uneducated and foolish just guessing things and linking random articles on the internet. Lots of sites referring to the glued AMD CPU's as chiplets now it's a 'thing' when in fact they are self contained CPU's connected using IF.

Actually chiplets were first 'announced' back in the 80's, heck even Gordon More predicted chiplet back in his 1965 paper, I'm more than aware what a 'proper' chiplet is and i don't appreciate the ad hominem attack.

 

[Journey]

Actually chiplets were first 'announced' back in the 80's, heck even Gordon More predicted chiplet back in his 1965 paper, I'm more than aware what a 'proper' chiplet is and i don't appreciate the ad hominem attack.

You should probably set yourself up as a tech journalist and make a nice website, since you clearly know more than everyone else, and dislike the current available tech news/rumors available. At least you could set them straight at be 100% right all of the time.

 

[muon]

Actually chiplets were first 'announced' back in the 80's, heck even Gordon More predicted chiplet back in his 1965 paper, I'm more than aware what a 'proper' chiplet is and i don't appreciate the ad hominem attack.

Therefore EPYC 2 containing chiplets is a meaningless prediction? Nothing revolutionary.

Whilst, I know you will claim I'm now putting words in your mouth, the fact you are going back to the 80s to discredit someone today should tell everyone what they need to know.

Any ideas what Intel/AMD will be making in 10 years time (2029 to be exact)? Should be obvious to you as the signs likely already exist. Us mortals simply can't recognise them yet.

 

[LePhuronn]

Well I wouldn't say that is confirmed. Anything further in the future naturally becomes more unpredictable as plans change. Same goes for the Navi APUs.

In a silly sort of way, I think that 3850X as leaked will turn out to be 100% accurate, but it'll be a limited quantity for the 50th anniversary. Cherry pick the elite silicon to demonstrate what Zen 2 can do and do a run of 50,000 units at about £600 a pop.

 

[Davedree]

I guess some people on this forum don't like it when a forum poster or a YouTuber or a tech reviewer, can make an accurate educated prediction of a yet to be released product.

In Jim's case I like some of his content and I understand why he resorted to YouTube. It's simply a retaliation to being able to make his point without the restrictions, stress or frustrations that a forum can provide.
I can relate to it, from my experience in this forum, during Carrizo,Kaveri Fiji, Polaris and Vega pre-launch threads.

I do sometimes find him very spoon feedy in his detailing of the subject he talks about, or if it's from a past say 8-10 years ago, (Yes thankyou I don't need reminding of that, I remember perfectly thanks). But I understand he needs to educate those who were/are blind to the real facts or issue at that time, or for the newer generation who were too young or not aware of historical pasts.

For me I don't have an issue with him, it's more the people who are in awe of him, or just repeat like a forum parrot.

 

[Murphy]

His link which predates EPYC 2 announcement apparently beat AdoredTV to it. Read his link.

edit:

Actually even that link doesn't predate the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3kGSbWFig4

To be fair it does predate the main video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4xctJOa6bQ

Either way, nothing about chiplets as we understand them today is in the link. It talks about Threadripper 2 only, which is just EPYC.

The chiplet part is under the heading "More Chiplets to the Rescue", granted it's not much but it was the first (quickest) official announcement of chiplets.

The video thing was why i asked if he made that claim in September as i didn't have the time to go through months worth of 30+ min videos trying to find when he fist mentioned it.

 

[muon]

The chiplet part is under the heading "More Chiplets to the Rescue", granted it's not much but it was the first (quickest) official announcement of chiplets.

The video thing was why i asked if he made that claim in September as i didn't have the time to go through months worth of 30+ min videos trying to find when he fist mentioned it.

Where is your link about the first mention of AMD planning to use uncore die?

That's what it boils down to.

The link you gave talks about how EPYC works which as mentioned by another poster was released a long time ago.

 

[4K8KW10]

I guess some people on this forum don't like it when a forum poster or a YouTuber or a tech reviewer, can make an accurate educated prediction of a yet to be released product.

In Jim's case I like some of his content and I understand why he resorted to YouTube. It's simply a retaliation to being able to make his point without the restrictions, stress or frustrations that a forum can provide.
I can relate to it, from my experience in this forum, during Carrizo,Kaveri Fiji, Polaris and Vega pre-launch threads.

I do sometimes find him very spoon feedy in his detailing of the subject he talks about, or if it's from a past say 8-10 years ago, (Yes thankyou I don't need reminding of that, I remember perfectly thanks). But I understand he needs to educate those who were/are blind to the real facts or issue at that time, or for the newer generation who were too young or not aware of historical pasts.

For me I don't have an issue with him, it's more the people who are in awe of him, or just repeat like a forum parrot.

Why not just short articles on his own website which can be read.
30+min spending on YT video is too much. I don't want to do it.

Actually, I do it but for music, not for technology running circles...

 

[Murphy]

What do you think we are giving credit for? Forseeing that Zen 2 would exist? Is that what your whole argument boils down to?

Well done on avoiding the question.

WTF has credits got to do with anything?

And i didn't avoid the question as you asked "Who made the predictions?" Something that IMO I've already answered when i said it wasn't Jim.

 

[Murphy]

You should probably set yourself up as a tech journalist and make a nice website, since you clearly know more than everyone else, and dislike the current available tech news/rumors available. At least you could set them straight at be 100% right all of the time.

You should stop attacking the poster and start attacking the argument.

 

[muon]

WTF has credits got to do with anything?

And i didn't avoid the question as you asked "Who made the predictions?" Something that IMO I've already answered when i said it wasn't Jim.

Well it was Jim unless you show something which predates it.

Something saying EPYC 2 would contain chiplets (uncore die with multiple cores attached to it).

You should stop attacking the poster and start attacking the argument.

You don't have a coherent one. At the moment you are coming across as speaking jibberish almost.

 

[Murphy]

Therefore EPYC 2 containing chiplets is a meaningless prediction? Nothing revolutionary.

Whilst, I know you will claim I'm now putting words in your mouth, the fact you are going back to the 80s to discredit someone today should tell everyone what they need to know.

Any ideas what Intel/AMD will be making in 10 years time (2029 to be exact)? Should be obvious to you as the signs likely already exist. Us mortals simply can't recognise them yet.

Not at all, chiplets are nothing revolutionary, AMD using chiplets is, you're conflating the two and, yes, putting words in my mouth.

 

[Davedree]

Why not just short articles on his own website which can be read.
30+min spending on YT video is too much. I don't want to do it.

I suppose it's a tool to a wider audience, with greater possibilities of traffic hopping, YouTube payment and patreon support etc. Maybe he will in the future or he just saw a market where he could make some money.

 

[muon]

Not at all, chiplets are nothing revolutionary, AMD using chiplets is, you're conflating the two and, yes, putting words in my mouth.

What do you think we are talking about here? The theoretical concept of chiplets?

Let me just double check what the thread title is.

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

Well this thread got quickly derailed with a load of crap. Nice one.

 

[4K8KW10]

WTF has credits got to do with anything?

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