AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Murphy]

Well it was Jim unless you show something which predates it.

Something saying EPYC 2 would contain chiplets (uncore die with multiple cores attached to it).

AFAIK I've already shown it wasn't Jim, if you disagree with my assumption that he fist mentioned them in September then perhaps you should say so instead of getting all emotive and attacking me on a personal level.

And who was it saying about not understanding chiplets? A chiplet isn't defined as only "uncore die with multiple cores attached to it" you know.

You don't have a coherent one. At the moment you are coming across as speaking jibberish almost.

Says the guy talking about 'credits'.

 

[Journey]

You should stop attacking the poster and start attacking the argument.

Pretty sure your incredibly weak argument was addressed, in the fact you don't think everything that one random guy in YouTube is accurate. So I'm not attacking you, merely saying that you know more so should show everyone how wrong this guy is compared to someone like you, and set up your own news/leaks/predictions website.

Funny how you can attack someone who is not here to defend themselves, but cry when you get promted to do better which you have clearly shown you knew all this decades ago.

 

[muon]

AFAIK I've already shown it wasn't Jim, if you disagree with my assumption that he fist mentioned them in September then perhaps you should say so instead of getting all emotive and attacking me on a personal level.

And who was it saying about not understanding chiplets? A chiplet isn't defined as only "uncore die with multiple cores attached to it" you know.



Says the guy talking about 'credits'.

I literally have no idea what point you are making now, given the context of the thread. Your links have been dead ends. Your post history isn't massive, easy to check you've provided no information.

Also I suggest you check what 'credit' means in an English dictionary.

 

[Murphy]

What do you think we are talking about here? The theoretical concept of chiplets?

Theory has nothing to do with it, chiplets have been around for decades. (1, 2, 3)

Let me just double check what the thread title is.

Well it's certainly not "Does Jim publish clickbait videos".

 

[Murphy]

Please be aware that the first three symbols are forbidden here

OK, thanks for the heads up, i did try finding the rules when people started with the insults but couldn't find a these are the rules topic or link.

 

[kitfit1]

Funny how you can attack someone who is not here to defend themselves

As it happens, Jim is a member on this site and has been for ages. So let's wait and see if this attack is even worth him wasting his time to repond to.

 

[Murphy]

Pretty sure your incredibly weak argument was addressed, in the fact you don't think everything that one random guy in YouTube is accurate. So I'm not attacking you, merely saying that you know more so should show everyone how wrong this guy is compared to someone like you, and set up your own news/leaks/predictions website.

Funny how you can attack someone who is not here to defend themselves, but cry when you get promted to do better which you have clearly shown you knew all this decades ago.

No, no it wasn't as I've not even made an argument.

I stated an opinion that some people seem to be laboring and using as a mean of attacking me personally and taking things OT, I've already said it's a personally opinion and your welcome to have your own, unfortunately it seems you've taken issue with people having their own opinions.

I'm not attacking anyone, I'm simply providing evidence that chiplets are nothing new and responding in kind to the insults leveled at me.

 

[humbug]

The concept of chiplets has been around for a long time but its really not the same thing as gluing together multicore X86 CPUs complete with cache, IO and integrated controllers.

Glue BTW is a technical term for linking together separate sections of a CPU architecture.

 

[humbug]

The concept of chiplets has been around for a long time but its really not the same thing as gluing together multicore X86 CPUs complete with cache, IO and integrated controllers.

Glue BTW is a technical term for linking together separate sections of a CPU architecture.

There is also a very big difference between concepting something and working out the engineering and building a successful working architecture

 

[Participant]

No, no it wasn't as I've not even made an argument.

I stated an opinion that some people seem to be laboring and using as a mean of attacking me personally and taking things OT, I've already said it's a personally opinion and your welcome to have your own, unfortunately it seems you've taken issue with people having their own opinions.

I'm not attacking anyone, I'm simply providing evidence that chiplets are nothing new and responding in kind to the insults leveled at me.

Your opinion seems to be that Jim is often wrong. Isn't that just a truism, as every tech rumour factory is by definition speculation based on educated guesses and tips?

Can't expect them to be correct 100% of the time. His style, detail, intelligence are all you can really go on unless you can figure out some KPI for ranking correctness taking all factors into account.

 

[Murphy]

The concept of chiplets has been around for a long time but its really not the same thing as gluing together multicore X86 CPUs complete with cache, IO and integrated controllers.

It's not just been a concept, Pentium Pro, Xeon Dempsey, Opteron's intended for socket G34 have all been actual products. MCM's and by extensions chiplets have been around for ages.

Glue BTW is a technical term for linking together separate sections of a CPU architecture.

Glue is not a technical term, perhaps the term you're looking for is interconnect, package, interposer, or substrate, it's difficult to know for sure though as when you're describing how separate IC's are connected to each other electrically by saying they use 'glue' it's anyone's guess what you mean.

There is also a very big difference between concepting something and working out the engineering and building a successful working architecture

See above, or you could just refer to the Wikipedia (not exactly authoritative but it's a start) entry on MCM's that shows chiplets, those being what multi-chip modules are constructed from, have been used in machines since the 80's.

Your opinion seems to be that Jim is often wrong. Isn't that just a truism, as every tech rumour factory is by definition speculation based on educated guesses and tips?

Can't expect them to be correct 100% of the time. His style, detail, intelligence are all you can really go on unless you can figure out some KPI for ranking correctness taking all factors into account.

I guess you could say that, I've not done any analysis on how far he deviates from the norm, i also wouldn't say it's a truism as it's not obviously true that he, or anyone for that matter, in the business or rumors is often wrong, if they were there'd be little point in discussing them.

Yes we can't expect anyone to be 100% correct, however i think we can agree that people, in this particular case people speculating, claiming something to be true without evidence, fall somewhere between 0-100% and as I've said in my personal opinion Jim is low down on that scale, you, and by the looks of peoples rather emotive reactions, may well place him higher and that's fine, I'm not trying to change their opinions as i respect the fact that other may well see it differently.

 

[PiKe]

Buy AMD shares whilst they're relatively low.

 

[LePhuronn]

Glue is not a technical term

Somebody missed the joke...

 

[muon]

Somebody missed the joke...

Missed the entire point of this discussion tbh. AdoredTV has made relatively detailed predictions that have been right. No one is saying he invented new technology or repeated roadmap details.

 

[LePhuronn]

Missed the entire point of this discussion tbh

Half expecting him to suggest that everything has been foretold since 1961, because the invention of the silicon chip clearly suggests chiplets and MCM designs were intended from the very beginning, so AdoredTV is just Satan and AMD shill.

 

[TrixX]

I'm just waiting for the evidence that Intel did it before AMD and that Zen2 is just a derivative arch from yesteryear...

Oh wait would that be too much shilling for one persona??

Some of the anti-AdoredTV nonsense is really quite funny to read.

 

[Wucked]

The arguments on these sub forums get really strange sometimes. I think I’ll just wait for the reviews again.

 

[Murphy]

Somebody missed the joke...

TBH with the level of understanding shown so far by some people on this forum there's not really anyway to tell, that is unless the person uses an emote or something to indicate their intentions.

Missed the entire point of this discussion tbh. AdoredTV has made relatively detailed predictions that have been right. No one is saying he invented new technology or repeated roadmap details.

And someone missed the entire starting point of all this, I simply stated that it's not not great analysis to say the replacement for Vega 64 will be half the price and half the TDP, that it's throw stuff at a wall to see what sticks.

And then yourself and humbug decided to welcome the newbie with insults and put words into his mouth, such as you've done in the above post, nice strawman BTW, you stay classy.

Half expecting him to suggest that everything has been foretold since 1961, because the invention of the silicon chip clearly suggests chiplets and MCM designs were intended from the very beginning, so AdoredTV is just Satan and AMD shill.

Firstly i don't believe in mythical being, secondly if you'd read Gordon Mores paper you'd know the chiplet design was predicted by him back in 1965, and as I've already proven AMD introduced a chiplet design eight years ago, although i get the feeling this isn't so much about disusing AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) and more about let's all bash the newbie and make him feel really welcome.

 

[doodah]

So when can we expect to see these in the wild? Are they previewing at any of the early 2019 tech shows?

 

[LePhuronn]

TBH with the level of understanding shown so far by some people on this forum there's not really anyway to tell, that is unless the person uses an emote or something to indicate their intentions.

Or, more specifically, if you'd actually been following the tech press surrounding Zen for the past few years you'd be fully aware of what Intel said, the context in which is was said and how the "glue" insult has become a gag. But I guess you missed that by cherry-picking random pieces of nonsense to continue pushing your non-argument.

Don't worry though, keep those posts coming; only 982 to go before you can get to the member's market! That is why you're spamming tripe, isn't it? Isn't it??