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The 15% IPC improvement that is talked about with Zen 2, is that pure architecture improvements with the clock speed bump on top or is it due to the clockspeed improvement as well as other adjustment? My guess would be the first of the 2 scenarioes but i want to be sure before i start planning.
 
Phixsator said:
The 15% IPC improvement that is talked about with Zen 2, is that pure architecture improvements with the clock speed bump on top or is it due to the clockspeed improvement as well as other adjustment? My guess would be the first of the 2 scenarioes but i want to be sure before i start planning.
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It's an architectural gain. The clock speed bump is an extra bonus.
 
Phixsator said:
The 15% IPC improvement that is talked about with Zen 2, is that pure architecture improvements with the clock speed bump on top or is it due to the clockspeed improvement as well as other adjustment? My guess would be the first of the 2 scenarioes but i want to be sure before i start planning.
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Lisa did mention what performance came from where but can't find the source , it was something like 50-60% of increased IPC and overall performance came from Uarch changes and not node shrink.
 
Phixsator said:
The 15% IPC improvement that is talked about with Zen 2, is that pure architecture improvements with the clock speed bump on top or is it due to the clockspeed improvement as well as other adjustment? My guess would be the first of the 2 scenarioes but i want to be sure before i start planning.
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I believe the IPC bump is irrelevant of the clockspeed but at the same time there's always more optimal clockspeeds for CPU's which varies on CPU generation. The Frequency increases are looking to be genuine extra performance on top of the IPC changes. Though from what we've seen so far expect 12% in gaming scenario's as 15% is the mid point of 12-17% improvement overall.
 
Phixsator said:
The 15% IPC improvement that is talked about with Zen 2, is that pure architecture improvements with the clock speed bump on top or is it due to the clockspeed improvement as well as other adjustment? My guess would be the first of the 2 scenarioes but i want to be sure before i start planning.
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2700X @ 4.3Ghz: 424
3600 @ 4.2Ghz: 480 (+13%)
Add 100Mhz (+2.5%)

Total IPC +15.5%

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So I have an 8086k 2080 rig.

I want to build a second rig for upstairs. I’ll be doing cemu (botw) and general gaming on an ultrawide 100hz probably. I’ll probably end up doing video editing and some photoshop too.

Is there a ryzen cpu which will tick most boxes and be decent value or shall I go intel?

Also are mobos from this gen future proof for ryzen 3 or have amd not committed? I’m tempted to go intel because everything I’ve had from them works but the board is a dead end
 
Journey said:
End of July/ start of August by the look of things, interestingly though the EPYC Rome boards are a bit of a mystery, as not all the previous boards will support the CPU's and the features. AMD have significant support from large OEM's so I'd expect to see servers from HP, Dell etc. before you see system integrator boards from the likes of Super Micro.
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Thanks for the info. I'm pricing up a server for dev use at home to replace some noisy SuperMicro mini servers and the AMD platform is looking significantly cheaper than Xeon equivalents.

chrcoluk said:
You got a 6/12 chip (probably best chip intel ever made for mainstream), clocked at 5.2, AMD wont be catching that this gen, it will last you a lot more than a year, probably 4-5 years before it becomes an issue in games in my opinion.
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When that day comes where I am CPU bound, is it just a case of the CPU being over say, 80% in games?

I fancy building a second PC for workstation and racing sim duties, if I do it'll be Zen 2 and Navi based, because why not?
 
Phixsator said:
The 15% IPC improvement that is talked about with Zen 2, is that pure architecture improvements with the clock speed bump on top or is it due to the clockspeed improvement as well as other adjustment? My guess would be the first of the 2 scenarioes but i want to be sure before i start planning.
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Instructions per cycle/per clock is independent of clock speed, when most people mention IPC they seem to mean performance per cycle/per clock as how many instructions per cycle/per clock is highly dependent on what instruction you're running, historically it refereed to how many floating point calculations a processor was capable of processing each cycle.
 
Murphy said:
Instructions per cycle/per clock is independent of clock speed, when most people mention IPC they seem to mean performance per cycle/per clock as how many instructions per cycle/per clock is highly dependent on what instruction you're running, historically it refereed to how many floating point calculations a processor was capable of processing each cycle.
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That was/is my understanding of it but i had to be sure that it was also the foundation that the reported performance bump was based on. You never know these days.
 
aoaaron said:
I want to build a second rig for upstairs. I’ll be doing cemu (botw) and general gaming on an ultrawide 100hz probably. I’ll probably end up doing video editing and some photoshop too.

Is there a ryzen cpu which will tick most boxes and be decent value or shall I go intel?
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Last time I looked at cemu - well over a year ago - it was all about single-threaded performance and clockspeed; Intel seemed to be the best choice, with the higher the clockspeed the better. Not sure if that has changed in recent times..

Having said that, we have no idea on how it will run on the new R3000s with the IPC improvements, so probably best to wait for a few weeks and some newer cemu builds to be sure.

As regards video-editing/ps, I guess either platform will do, but you might also want to look at how much you can dump on the GPU you'll be using.
 
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