AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Skynet5]

Top 5 nutters in this thread:

1. humbug with 948 posts.
2. 4K8KW10 with 633 posts.
3. LePhuronn with 595 posts.
4. beany_bot with 519 posts.
5. Journey with 451 posts.

That's quite a lot of guff!

Not sur ehow you got those stats, but if its through code, could you create a comments per time period graph... That might be interesting.

 

[Martini1991]

About the same kinda overclockers that ryzen 1xxx and 2xxx were, which is pretty terrible as they could just match what they were auto boosting too out the box and no more really... I guess they are pushing them out the door at their limit to be able to compete?

This is kind of what people are forgetting really.
It's all good AMD having the IPC advantage but if they've still got a clock deficit it doesn't translate to quite the killer core for core performance some were thinking.

AMD could be 10% ahead IPC but If they're behind by 10% on clocks it just means parity.

That's obviously not bad at all and I'm stoked for the 3900X.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yep, the Streacom DA2.

Great, little case with an innovative internal design and minimalist exterior but with surprisingly generous airflow for size- worth a look.

Thanks!

https://www.techpowerup.com/256842/...that-even-intel-is-impressed-by-amds-progress

Today a Reddit user by the name of "scv_good_to_go", shared an article posted on Intel's internal employee-only portal called "Circuit News". The post, titled "AMD competitive profile: Where we go toe-to-toe, why they are resurgent, which chips of ours beat theirs" goes into detail about the recent history of AMD and how the company achieved its tremendous growth in recent years. Further, Intel talks about where they see the biggest challenges with AMD's new products, and what the company's "secret sauce" is to fight against these improvements.

 

[LePhuronn]

Top 5 nutters in this thread:

1. humbug with 948 posts.
2. 4K8KW10 with 633 posts.
3. LePhuronn with 595 posts.
4. beany_bot with 519 posts.
5. Journey with 451 posts.

That's quite a lot of guff!

Thanks for the guff post, Rossi. I'll let you off because we share the name

 

[awaybreaktoday]

Concerns:
Why are only the 3600 results being leaked on mass?
At E3 in gaming the 3800x vs 3900x shows no improvement in performance except for 2 out of 8 titles from AMD own labs?
Also the gaming gap of 3600 to the 3800x/3900x is very small, again this is based on AMDs own internal testing....

 

[DragonQ]

The 15% IPC improvement that is talked about with Zen 2, is that pure architecture improvements with the clock speed bump on top or is it due to the clockspeed improvement as well as other adjustment? My guess would be the first of the 2 scenarioes but i want to be sure before i start planning.

IPC improvements cannot, by definition, be due to higher clock speeds.

 

[DragonQ]

IPC improvements. Everyone seems obsessed with clock speed and directly comparing to Intel, I don't get it?

Because people are used to IPC being essentially static; there's only been one meaningful IPC bump from Intel since 2011. It's a struggle to get people to understand it's not the only metric - AMD found this out with the Athlon 64 series and it's why they used weird naming conventions, e.g. a 3200+ was "as fast as an Athlon Thunderbird at 3.2 GHz" or whatever it was. For most, bigger numbers on the box = better.

 

[alec]

Curious to see type of volts are needed for 4.8ghz all core on the 16core chip.

Will be north of 1.4 for sure. All core 5GHz was above 1.5V
I don't much care about all core overclocks anymore. Rather have single core boost to 4.9 than all core 4.7
AMD has done a great thing in dynamic overclocking.

Concerns:
Why are only the 3600 results being leaked on mass?
At E3 in gaming the 3800x vs 3900x shows no improvement in performance except for 2 out of 8 titles from AMD own labs?
Also the gaming gap of 3600 to the 3800x/3900x is very small, again this is based on AMDs own internal testing....

Because there is really only one leaker with 3600?
And for the gaming gap, not many games care about more than 12 threads, and if they do, GPU limit kicks in before that

 

[Legion]

Top 5 nutters in this thread:

1. humbug with 948 posts.
2. 4K8KW10 with 633 posts.
3. LePhuronn with 595 posts.
4. beany_bot with 519 posts.
5. Journey with 451 posts.

That's quite a lot of guff!

Made my day that PMSL

 

[Scramz]

Concerns:
Why are only the 3600 results being leaked on mass?
At E3 in gaming the 3800x vs 3900x shows no improvement in performance except for 2 out of 8 titles from AMD own labs?
Also the gaming gap of 3600 to the 3800x/3900x is very small, again this is based on AMDs own internal testing....

I read on another forum that the 3600 has hit some countries ahead of the other SKUs. Make of that what you will.

 

[Illuminist]

I read on another forum that the 3600 has hit some countries ahead of the other SKUs. Make of that what you will.

What countries for example ?

 

[awaybreaktoday]

Will be north of 1.4 for sure. All core 5GHz was above 1.5V
I don't much care about all core overclocks anymore. Rather have single core boost to 4.9 than all core 4.7
AMD has done a great thing in dynamic overclocking.

Because there is really only one leaker with 3600?
And for the gaming gap, not many games care about more than 12 threads, and if they do, GPU limit kicks in before that

So then you are saying for gaming the 9900k will still rule

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Who cares if the Core i9 9900K is ahead of a Ryzen 5 3600? You can get a Ryzen 5 3600 and a Vega56 for the same price as the Core i9 9900K.

If the Ryzen 5 3600 and Ryzen 5 3600X can trade blows with a Core i7 8700K,that would be a very nice CPU for the price.

 

[Journey]

That's quite a lot of guff!

Your should probably read some of my posts, rather than chucking a thinly veiled insult tbh.

 

[alec]

So then you are saying for gaming the 9900k will still rule

Rule is a strong word. I expect Ryzen to match it close enough that it makes no difference.
If you have one already, keep it.
If looking to buy new, price and power consumption will sway you to AMD.

But for others looking to upgrade, like me from 6700K, higher single and multicore will make a difference

 

[Scramz]

What countries for example ?

Asian market.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Concerns:
Why are only the 3600 results being leaked on mass?
At E3 in gaming the 3800x vs 3900x shows no improvement in performance except for 2 out of 8 titles from AMD own labs?
Also the gaming gap of 3600 to the 3800x/3900x is very small, again this is based on AMDs own internal testing....

Because those samples are all over the place. The others have been handed out sparingly. Possibly cautiously.

 

[Murphy]

Thanks!

https://www.techpowerup.com/256842/...that-even-intel-is-impressed-by-amds-progress

Today a Reddit user by the name of "scv_good_to_go", shared an article posted on Intel's internal employee-only portal called "Circuit News". The post, titled "AMD competitive profile: Where we go toe-to-toe, why they are resurgent, which chips of ours beat theirs" goes into detail about the recent history of AMD and how the company achieved its tremendous growth in recent years. Further, Intel talks about where they see the biggest challenges with AMD's new products, and what the company's "secret sauce" is to fight against these improvements.

Wowzers, so many take-a-ways in that.

with our decades of unmatched investments in validation, software, and security.

You what mate.

At times, and on some workloads, we might dip below on performance, like the second half of this year.

So they're expecting R3 to perform better than their offerings.

 

[awaybreaktoday]

Who cares if the Core i9 9900K is ahead of a Ryzen 5 3600? You can get a Ryzen 5 3600 and a Vega56 for the same price as the Core i9 9900K.

If the Ryzen 5 3600 and Ryzen 5 3600X can trade blows with a Core i7 8700K,that would be a very nice CPU for the price.

For some people cost does not matter and they just want the fastest even if its only 1% faster. Some of us have money to burn....

 

[Troezar]

Because people are used to IPC being essentially static; there's only been one meaningful IPC bump from Intel since 2011. It's a struggle to get people to understand it's not the only metric - AMD found this out with the Athlon 64 series and it's why they used weird naming conventions, e.g. a 3200+ was "as fast as an Athlon Thunderbird at 3.2 GHz" or whatever it was. For most, bigger numbers on the box = better.

Agreed, I would expect people on here to understand the concept though. It's actually a much superior way to increase performance, less energy and heat for the same amount of work.