AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Potatowithearsontheside]

About the same kinda overclockers that ryzen 1xxx and 2xxx were, which is pretty terrible as they could just match what they were auto boosting too out the box and no more really... I guess they are pushing them out the door at their limit to be able to compete?

It isn't about competing. It's about telling customers that "we won't gimp our processors so that the 1% of you that overclock can get great value."
Intel have been doing the same the last 2 years too; MCE and now IPM.
It isn't a coincidence that prices have generally gone through the roof in that time, at least at the top end.

 

[Potatowithearsontheside]

Thanks!

https://www.techpowerup.com/256842/...that-even-intel-is-impressed-by-amds-progress

"which chips of ours beats theirs"
That's quite a shift. The answer used to be "all of them"

 

[StriderX]

• Additionally, I would say users don't buy a chip. They buy a system. They buy a whole solution that includes software enabling, vendor enabling, validation, technical support, manageability, out-of-box experience, supplier sustained consistency, and more. So, yes, while an OEM or ODM might buy a chip, the end user doesn't generally buy only a chip. We believe that our product pricing vis-à-vis AMD reflects the great deal of added value that specifically comes from buying Intel with our decades of unmatched investments in validation, software, and security.

Top kek, that's clearly worth the $5 million a year pay.

 

[Potatowithearsontheside]

I'm interested in finding out how the 8c SKUs are functioning.
Most of the talk was about single versus dual chiplet, but I think it more nuanced than that.
Single chiplet is pretty straightforward; 4:4.
Dual chiplet can be 4:0 + 4:0 or 2:2 + 2:2.
We know that the scheduler improvements are supposed to favour a single CCX, so I'd be leaning towards 4:0 + 4:0 myself.

 

[Zeed]

This is kind of what people are forgetting really.
It's all good AMD having the IPC advantage but if they've still got a clock deficit it doesn't translate to quite the killer core for core performance some were thinking.

AMD could be 10% ahead IPC but If they're behind by 10% on clocks it just means parity.

That's obviously not bad at all and I'm stoked for the 3900X.

I dont think 4.6x12 will be an option... I'm realistic 4.4x12 MAYBE on my cooling and my volts 4.5.

 

[Troezar]

"which chips of ours beats theirs"
That's quite a shift. The answer used to be "all of them"

Makes me think they knew this would leak out. A bit of damage limitation without it being "official", particularly the bit regarding "security" and value added stuff.

 

[Zeed]

So then you are saying for gaming the 9900k will still rule

We been saying that for last few months..

 

[Steveocee]

If the Ryzen 5 3600 and Ryzen 5 3600X can trade blows with a Core i7 8700K,that would be a very nice CPU for the price.

As an 8700K owner, this would give me the mental justification to go to a 3700X but we'll see how real that would be once real benchmarks come out.

 

[Nutella33]

Top kek, that's clearly worth the $5 million a year pay.

I just get the heebiejeebies reading that stuff.

Are we acting as One Intel or are we stepping on each other's toes? Are we facing our challenges with truth and transparency?

That sounds like something dwight would say after meeting a travelling salesman selling a knock off 'make your business a success' book.

 

[Troezar]

A 9900K owner needn't be worried, it will be relevant for years. A new buyer though should seriously consider Ryzen. Buying an equivalent CPU for less with PCIE 4.0 and the potential to upgrade later to a 16C part on the same platform is an easy decision. The 9900K is good for today but there's no upgrade potential.

 

[awaybreaktoday]

A 9900K owner needn't be worried, it will be relevant for years. A new buyer though should seriously consider Ryzen. Buying an equivalent CPU for less with PCIE 4.0 and the potential to upgrade later to a 16C part on the same platform is an easy decision. The 9900K is good for today but there's no upgrade potential.

How many people keep the same motherboard in a upgrade? I have the choice of both for free, however when i upgrade again next year, i will replace motherboard for what ever path i choose.

 

[awaybreaktoday]

hmm

 

[chrcoluk]

A 9900K owner needn't be worried, it will be relevant for years. A new buyer though should seriously consider Ryzen. Buying an equivalent CPU for less with PCIE 4.0 and the potential to upgrade later to a 16C part on the same platform is an easy decision. The 9900K is good for today but there's no upgrade potential.

I see x570 (pcie4.0) as the weakness, as pcie 4.0 seems to offer little practical benefit but does offer a big price bump on motherboards.

If they were more efficient and taking better advantage, they would have reduced gpu lanes to 8 lanes as 8 lanes of 4.0 bandwidth is more than enough for a gpu, and then the chipset extra lanes would allow more flexibility. If I go zen2 Iit will probably be on b450 or x470.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

I would consider sticking with my board but the BIOS will absolutely not update so it isn't a possibility. I spent hours on it, trying to force it through various means and all I ended up doing was corrupting my Windows install.

 

[ricid]

I'm interested in finding out how the 8c SKUs are functioning.
Most of the talk was about single versus dual chiplet, but I think it more nuanced than that.
Single chiplet is pretty straightforward; 4:4.
Dual chiplet can be 4:0 + 4:0 or 2:2 + 2:2.
We know that the scheduler improvements are supposed to favour a single CCX, so I'd be leaning towards 4:0 + 4:0 myself.

Didn't they say all of the 8c parts are single chiplet?

 

[Panos]

Top kek, that's clearly worth the $5 million a year pay.

heh the comment bellow was gold

Ben :
Great article overall. "We believe that our product pricing vis-a-vis AMD reflects the great deal of added value that specifically comes from buying Intel with our decades of unmatched investments in validation, software, and security." I feel like we are going to have a hard time selling product validation and security vs AMD considering the number of vulnerabilities we've had exposed in recent
years. We've become a running joke in a lot of enthusiast communities and there have been a lot of complaints about the amount of performance systems have lost in the patches.

And someone replied showing that they have heads in the sand...

Brian, responding to Ben:

I'm on P2CA team supporting our DCG business. I can't speak knowledgeably about our perception in the client enthusiast world. In the data center we're perceived positively as taking security seriously. Second Generation Xeon Scalable processors include hardware fixes for existing side-channel vulnerabilities. And based on my experience working on the L1TF response, we have a world class team in IPAS [editor: Intel Product Assurance and Security] that proactively works with customers ahead of citing disclosures to ensure they understand the situation and have a viable mitigation strategy.

 

[Troezar]

How many people keep the same motherboard in a upgrade? I have the choice of both for free, however when i upgrade again next year, i will replace motherboard for what ever path i choose.

Most people I know of. Especially if they didn't cheap out on the motherboard. I realise you're a descendant of Rockefeller but the rest of us have budgets to work to Besides which a simple CPU drop in upgrade is much less hassle if you're not an ultra enthusiast tinker.

 

[Troezar]

I see x570 (pcie4.0) as the weakness, as pcie 4.0 seems to offer little practical benefit but does offer a big price bump on motherboards.

If they were more efficient and taking better advantage, they would have reduced gpu lanes to 8 lanes as 8 lanes of 4.0 bandwidth is more than enough for a gpu, and then the chipset extra lanes would allow more flexibility. If I go zen2 Iit will probably be on b450 or x470.

If your like me and go 5+ years between upgrades. PCIE4.0 is going to last many GPU upgrades as well as storage speeds that won't be mainstream and therefore a limitation for even longer.

If you upgrade every couple of years I agree a cheaper option makes more sense. Then swap to the newer standard when that comes out.

 

[emodan]

I tend to keep a CPU for 4/5 years but upgrade GPU every 2 years. My current rig is a 4790k and it's had a GTX 970, then a 980Ti and now an RTX 2080. X570 and PCI-E gen 4 ensures I can keep the same board for just as long as my z97 one and also gives me an upgrade path my current PC never had when it comes to CPU and RAM performance.

 

[alec]

If I upgrade both cpu and motherboard, I have a backbone of a working PC to be used for NAS or whatnot. If only CPU is upgraded, I have an obsolete CPU on my hands that nobody wants