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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

Murphy said:
Wowzers, so many take-a-ways in that.

You what mate. :)

So they're expecting R3 to perform better than their offerings.
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Hopefully this means great gaming performance!
awaybreaktoday said:
For some people cost does not matter and they just want the fastest even if its only 1% faster. Some of us have money to burn....
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But I am not so sure why a Ryzen 5 3600 not quite beating a Core i9 9900K is bad,as AMD also have 8C,12C and 16C offerings,so now think how those might perform!
Potatowithearsontheside said:
"which chips of ours beats theirs"
That's quite a shift. The answer used to be "all of them"
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Even if the Core i9 9900K just pips the Ryzen 7 3800X,what about the rest of the Intel range??
Steveocee said:
As an 8700K owner, this would give me the mental justification to go to a 3700X but we'll see how real that would be once real benchmarks come out.
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Well for a mainstream gamer,this will have dropped the performance of a Core i7 8700K and by extension a Core i7 9700K to a much lower price point.
 
alec said:
If I upgrade both cpu and motherboard, I have a backbone of a working PC to be used for NAS or whatnot. If only CPU is upgraded, I have an obsolete CPU on my hands that nobody wants
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I've sold plenty of CPU's to CEX or used Ebay when upgrading rigs in the past. CEX is usually hassle free and I just put the voucher towards other crap I may want.
 
TrixX said:
It's results are impressive, it's the limited overhead for OC that's less impressive. It's running up close to it's limits at 4.7-4.8GHz. Which even though there's a nice IPC improvement is a little disappointing from and OC perspective. Again depends what you are looking for. The results are of course impressive, though there's something to be said for 14nm vs 7nm processor's there.
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guessing marketing and feed back has found majority of people want FULL performance out of the Box , they want it to push its self automatically to the brink of its limits with what cooling you can afford .

intel's first gen i cores could be clocked almost 50%, 2nd gen onwards they pushed speeds more, with latest gens pushing all core clock speeds high and giving non K chips a bigger boost clock speeds .

amateur overclocking will be phased out , less fun but more time gaming :D even now it seems ram issues are sorted so there goes HOURS playing with ryzen ram calculator
 
chrcoluk said:
I see x570 (pcie4.0) as the weakness, as pcie 4.0 seems to offer little practical benefit but does offer a big price bump on motherboards.

If they were more efficient and taking better advantage, they would have reduced gpu lanes to 8 lanes as 8 lanes of 4.0 bandwidth is more than enough for a gpu, and then the chipset extra lanes would allow more flexibility. If I go zen2 Iit will probably be on b450 or x470.
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x570 looks a lot like a stop gap until they can outsource a pcie 4.0 chipset. Assuming you don't lose anything significant, I'll be grabbing an x470.

I'd get a B450 but all the boards disable a mid board slot when you enable pcie m.2. Would prefer if someone switched with the useless slot below the primary gpu instead, but presumably more people want to do crossfire than have a single gpu plus a lot of peripheral cards.

B550 will be really interesting when it arrives as with the added bandwidth of pcie 4 you could lift most of the sharing restrictions. Given that's currently a key differentiator they might choose not to.
 
Josu said:
Any advice for Motherboard for 12 core Ryzen from B450 or X470 range? Without overclocking ^^, just his original boost
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I hear so many good things about the MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC as it has really good VRMS.

If you look around you can find them on offer for under £100 for the next few days
 
PCWorld: Last night Intel made a large pitch to us that we’re using artificial benchmarks, benchmarks that aren’t used by the real world, and they’re trying to influence the community to move away from that model. How do you feel about that?

Lisa Su: We also believe that real world applications are important, no doubt about it. But at some point you have to compare X to Y, and so we will use benchmarks. You might have noticed that we switched from Cinebench R15 to R20. We did that on purpose, it's a harder test than R15. When we look at gaming performance, we do our best to benchmark clearly, and all of our stuff is apples to apples. Benchmarks are important – they give you a view of competitiveness. But at the end of the day it’s about the user at home, and what we believe is we give the user a lot of choice depending on what your price points are, what your performance requirements are, whether you want to use a water cooler, or an air cooler, I think we give you a lot of choice in the processor market.
 
awaybreaktoday said:
PCWorld: Last night Intel made a large pitch to us that we’re using artificial benchmarks, benchmarks that aren’t used by the real world, and they’re trying to influence the community to move away from that model. How do you feel about that?

Lisa Su: We also believe that real world applications are important, no doubt about it. But at some point you have to compare X to Y, and so we will use benchmarks. You might have noticed that we switched from Cinebench R15 to R20. We did that on purpose, it's a harder test than R15. When we look at gaming performance, we do our best to benchmark clearly, and all of our stuff is apples to apples. Benchmarks are important – they give you a view of competitiveness. But at the end of the day it’s about the user at home, and what we believe is we give the user a lot of choice depending on what your price points are, what your performance requirements are, whether you want to use a water cooler, or an air cooler, I think we give you a lot of choice in the processor market.
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I love that now Intel are being beat in benchmarks they start trying to get everyone to stop benchmarking lol.
 
awaybreaktoday said:
PCWorld: Last night Intel made a large pitch to us that we’re using artificial benchmarks, benchmarks that aren’t used by the real world, and they’re trying to influence the community to move away from that model. How do you feel about that?

Lisa Su: We also believe that real world applications are important, no doubt about it. But at some point you have to compare X to Y, and so we will use benchmarks. You might have noticed that we switched from Cinebench R15 to R20. We did that on purpose, it's a harder test than R15. When we look at gaming performance, we do our best to benchmark clearly, and all of our stuff is apples to apples. Benchmarks are important – they give you a view of competitiveness. But at the end of the day it’s about the user at home, and what we believe is we give the user a lot of choice depending on what your price points are, what your performance requirements are, whether you want to use a water cooler, or an air cooler, I think we give you a lot of choice in the processor market.
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To be honest I like her response. Cant wait to get rid of my 7700K AKA The Trap.
 
I see a few posts recently talking about the 3000 series on the X470 and X570 boards, early indications sound like performance wise there might not be too much in it. Personally though I'm really keen to see how they perform on my X370 board. I guess its all rumor and conjecture until proper reviews come out, but I'm hoping we see some X370/X470/X570 comparisons for the full picture when they do.
 
awaybreaktoday said:
PCWorld: Last night Intel made a large pitch to us that we’re using artificial benchmarks, benchmarks that aren’t used by the real world, and they’re trying to influence the community to move away from that model. How do you feel about that?

Lisa Su: We also believe that real world applications are important, no doubt about it. But at some point you have to compare X to Y, and so we will use benchmarks. You might have noticed that we switched from Cinebench R15 to R20. We did that on purpose, it's a harder test than R15. When we look at gaming performance, we do our best to benchmark clearly, and all of our stuff is apples to apples. Benchmarks are important – they give you a view of competitiveness. But at the end of the day it’s about the user at home, and what we believe is we give the user a lot of choice depending on what your price points are, what your performance requirements are, whether you want to use a water cooler, or an air cooler, I think we give you a lot of choice in the processor market.
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"Thou shalt only believe in what we tell you. Benchmarks are so 20th Century. Blind faith is the future. Praise be to thyne deity. Praise be to Intel."
 
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