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humbug · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:46

They really should have had B550's ready at launch, as i said before most Ryzen buyers are going to be in the 3600/X/3700X range and they are not spending £150 to £200 on Bare-Bone board's.

Having said that there are some great 400 series boards to be had around the £100 range, i hope stock's last till the B550's arrive.

4K8KW10 · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:46

humbug said:
It's PCIe 4 that's caused the price increase, server grade 8 layer PCB's, many more traces and signal amplifiers, when Intel eventually stop messing about with 14nm++++++++++++ they will get around to PCIe 4 themselves and you'll see the same price hikes, they are just much more expensive to make.

Normally, the technology that enables PCIe 4.0 should and will get cheaper over time. It's now the users who are paying the early adopters high tax.
Depending on when intel will use PCIe 4.0, their boards might not experience such a shocking price hike.

Kashinoda · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:48

SiDeards73 said:
oh lord stop being a fangirl, its getting boring...

9900k is going to be faster single core, who cares, its going to marginal 5% or so at best and 9900k will get decimated in anything multicore, Zen2 has already been said to be a lot less fussy with Memory, look at what 8pack has been saying in this very thread.

And as for boards, yes x570 is expensive however you can use X370, B350, X470, B450 boards with Zen 2 as well, so no, you cannot use "Motherboards are expensive" as an excuse.

Less drivel ok?

Fangirl? I'm buying a bloody Ryzen 3 chip and have been waiting for this launch for ages.

It's ridiculous on here, I say the 9900k may be faster in some workloads and apparently I'm an Intel fan girl? It's like discussing politics, all too black and white.

It is fussy with memory, there's a documented sweet spot. That's not something I've made up.

I said you need to spend more on a motherboard to make the most out of the chip. Again that's utterly true, even 8pack said as much on this thread recently.

That's like the third time I've been jumped on here for apparently being an Intel fan despite posting so many positive things about AMD and their new series.

It's not the second coming of jesus ******* christ, its not perfect. Its a great chip and massively disruptive but Intel still has some benefits.

Zeed · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:48

8 Pack said:
X570 Taichi I tried a lot. Bios is great and its working very very well...... On a par with the best I tried.

I said last night about OC .... Take single core boost -200mhz for 24-7 OC on all CPUs with 2x8gb 3600c16 RAM and X570 platform. All CPU I tried can do this.

Obviously will be some silicon lottery but none could match boost frequency with all core OC and very few can run 3733mhz RAM 1:1 with Infinity Fabric.

AAA so 3733 is where stability goes out of the window on new Zens. Hmm then 3633cl14 after hours of tweeking could be my goal then

You had time to play around with BCLK ??

humbug · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:49

4K8KW10 said:
Normally, the technology that enables PCIe 4.0 should and will get cheaper over time. It's now the users who are paying the early adopters high tax.
Depending on when intel will use PCIe 4.0, their boards might not experience such a shocking price hike.

That's true.

Jacky60 · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:52

humbug said:
It's PCIe 4 that's caused the price increase, server grade 8 layer PCB's, many more traces and signal amplifiers, when Intel eventually stop messing about with 14nm++++++++++++ they will get around to PCIe 4 themselves and you'll see the same price hikes, they are just much more expensive to make.

Well I think AMD are daft making the move as I see it prematurely to PCIe4 before Intel have paved the way. It smells a bit like HBM on the Fury GPU. Yes it's a feature, no we haven't been missing it, and yes we could and should have had a 570 'light' option as an alternative. I run multi GPU, have since Voodoo 2 12MB SLI with occasional lapses but I can't see how on Earth we 'need' PCIE4 just yet. I guess if you buy now hopefully Zen 3 CPU will slot straight in and just maybe we'll have cards we can afford to test that PCIe4 bandwidth with. Somehow I doubt we'll need it any time soon.

Jacky60 · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:53

pandem0nium said:
It's because of a 12 core engineering sample that ran at over 5ghz.

Or at least rumours of the existence of it, from AdoredTV.

Yep, Adored TV has done wonders for AMD share price and expectations. Damp squib inbound!

orbitalwalsh · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:53

Jacky60 said:
Well I think AMD are daft making the move as I see it prematurely to PCIe4 before Intel have paved the way. It smells a bit like HBM on the Fury GPU. Yes it's a feature, no we haven't been missing it, and yes we could and should have had a 570 'light' option as an alternative. I run multi GPU, have since Voodoo 2 12MB SLI with occasional lapses but I can't see how on Earth we 'need' PCIE4 just yet. I guess if you buy now hopefully Zen 3 CPU will slot straight in and just maybe we'll have cards we can afford to test that PCIe4 bandwidth with. Somehow I doubt we'll need it any time soon.
Then those who

data centers . consumers are just an icing . read some of the ROME articles , check amd stock increase and marketshare

PCIe 4.0 is a godsend ! DDR5 will be to for them as well ! so expect AMD to push that fast in servers and bring is quickly to Zen, most likely Zen 4 as Zen 3 is still DDR4

Jacky60 · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:54

humbug said:
This is a good point, none of the B450 or X470 boards on sale will support Ryzen 3000 out of the box, they will need a Ryzen 1000 / 2000 to flash the BIOS unless they get one with a BIOS Flashing Utility on the IO, most B450's don't have that, not all X470 boards have it.

Before i sell my ASRock it will be updated to a Ryzen 3000 BIOS.

Oh Bejesus it keeps getting worse...what next?

4K8KW10 · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:55

Jacky60 said:
Well I think AMD are daft making the move as I see it prematurely to PCIe4 before Intel have paved the way. It smells a bit like HBM on the Fury GPU. Yes it's a feature, no we haven't been missing it, and yes we could and should have had a 570 'light' option as an alternative. I run multi GPU, have since Voodoo 2 12MB SLI with occasional lapses but I can't see how on Earth we 'need' PCIE4 just yet. I guess if you buy now hopefully Zen 3 CPU will slot straight in and just maybe we'll have cards we can afford to test that PCIe4 bandwidth with. Somehow I doubt we'll need it any time soon.
Then those who

Vendors can easily free 8 PCIe 3.0 lanes if they allow the graphics cards to run at x8 only, since x16 is overkill.
AMD needs an alternative for their 14nm IO die that serves as a chipset on the boards, too.
This makes the boards so expensive.
Move the chipset to 7nm and ramp up ASMedia's chipset...

beany_bot · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:56

Just remember there are plenty X470 boards that will handle an overclocked 12 core and even 16 core. I'll be buying X470 for sure if the X570 prices are as daft as it appears.

Jacky60 · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:57

orbitalwalsh said:
data centers . consumers are just an icing . read some of the ROME articles , check amd stock increase and marketshare

PCIe 4.0 is a godsend ! DDR5 will be to for them as well ! so expect AMD to push that fast in servers and bring is quickly to Zen, most likely Zen 4 as Zen 3 is still DDR4

Fair enough I'm seeing it from a blinkered perspective.

humbug · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:59

Jacky60 said:
Well I think AMD are daft making the move as I see it prematurely to PCIe4 before Intel have paved the way. It smells a bit like HBM on the Fury GPU. Yes it's a feature, no we haven't been missing it, and yes we could and should have had a 570 'light' option as an alternative. I run multi GPU, have since Voodoo 2 12MB SLI with occasional lapses but I can't see how on Earth we 'need' PCIE4 just yet. I guess if you buy now hopefully Zen 3 CPU will slot straight in and just maybe we'll have cards we can afford to test that PCIe4 bandwidth with. Somehow I doubt we'll need it any time soon.
Then those who

In this case i don't think it's AMD's choice. While it may not be possible to make entirely PCIe 3 board's with Zen 2 i do think AMD wanted more compromised PCIe 3 Chipset board's that are cheaper but the Vendor's said "#### off!" X590 was in the code strings.... X570 with ASMedia PCIe 3 Chipsets and fully PCIe 4 X590 premium board's is what i think AMD wanted.

Journey · 5 Jul 2019 at 15:00

Jacky60 said:
Fair enough I'm seeing it from a blinkered perspective.

Common practice, if you don't need it, why does anyone else? You see it in lots of industries, but flexibility is worth more than initial cost in some use cases.

awaybreaktoday · 5 Jul 2019 at 15:00

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alec · 5 Jul 2019 at 15:01

Kashinoda said:
Fangirl? I'm buying a bloody Ryzen 3 chip and have been waiting for this launch for ages.
It's ridiculous on here, I say the 9900k may be faster in some workloads and apparently I'm an Intel fan girl?

Oh jeez, don't get your panties in a twist, is it that time of the month for you?
(sorry, couldn't resist)

awaybreaktoday · 5 Jul 2019 at 15:04

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Jacky60 · 5 Jul 2019 at 15:04

beany_bot said:
Just remember there are plenty X470 boards that will handle an overclocked 12 core and even 16 core. I'll be buying X470 for sure if the X570 prices are as daft as it appears.

I see them but I'll then have to faff about borrowing a CPU to upgrade the bios so I can boot my new CPU in my new (but old and incompatible without bios update) MOBO. I see...
What a great sales pitch that is! I hated having to flash the bios on a previous board to 'enable' it's USB 3.0 and I quite like fiddling with hardware/software. It just feels like someone
hasn't quite thought a lot of this through.

awaybreaktoday · 5 Jul 2019 at 15:05

9900K still best for gaming....

beany_bot · 5 Jul 2019 at 15:05

Ouch!

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