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ricid · 5 Jul 2019 at 13:48

humbug said:
Ah crap the one £100'ish MSI board that doesn't.

My hunch is they added it for b450 after getting a crap tonne of support request for "broken" 2xxx series CPUs on x470.

Journey · 5 Jul 2019 at 13:49

beany_bot said:
And I am questioning why there needs to be one of the PRICE of something. Fair enough don't talk about performance (even this is pretty stupid). But hiding the price of something? That's just insulting to consumers.

There is no NDA on the price though, they announced those when they did the Computex/E3 presentation.

beany_bot · 5 Jul 2019 at 13:50

Journey said:
There is no NDA on the price though, they announced those when they did the Computex/E3 presentation.

For mobos?? No they didn't. The MSRP is still hidden as it the UK retailer pricing.
Also CPU's - MSRP is out. But we still are having prices hidden by UK retailers. Americans know exactly what they will be paying. We are getting taken for a ride.

orbitalwalsh · 5 Jul 2019 at 13:52

Journey said:
I'm failing to see your point? I said read my reply, I'll quote if for you to save you the hassle, ok?

If it is $330/£330 then I don't see why that effects what I was told other than it not being correct, I am simply acting as a messenger, that is it, end of.

you stated you didnt give a very rough £ conversion when you did and even added VAT . then you went to say you NEVER stated £ or VAT pricing - even if its rough lol

Journey said:
I said $249, I didn't convert one currency, to another then another, then add tax. As I said in my reply to your post, I am only passing on what I was told by ASRock, you can go back and read it if you so wish.

Journey said: ↑
Would help if you read the whole post!

It's $249, which is £198+ VAT is ~£240 give or take. Pricing is from ASRock.

so you did or didnt lol

Journey said:
There is no NDA on the price though, they announced those when they did the Computex/E3 presentation.

if on boards then YES! NDA! CPU's, i give up on lol

DragonQ · 5 Jul 2019 at 13:52

8 Pack said:
X570 Taichi I tried a lot. Bios is great and its working very very well...... On a par with the best I tried.

I said last night about OC .... Take single core boost -200mhz for 24-7 OC on all CPUs with 2x8gb 3600c16 RAM and X570 platform. All CPU I tried can do this.

Nice, so ~4.2 GHz all core boost on R7 3700X, basically the same as the R7 2700X but with that juicy IPC increase and better RAM support. Wonder if it'll be worth it.

8 Pack said:
very few can run 3733mhz RAM 1:1 with Infinity Fabric.

Probably why AMD said 3600 MT/s was the "sweet spot"; 3733 MT/s is probably right at the limit of Infinity Fabric.

kitfit1 · 5 Jul 2019 at 13:52

humbug said:
Latency Intel vs AMD is utterly irrelevant, you do know that don't you? the Latency could be 1'000 ns vs 1 ns the performance is still what it is, comparing memory latency between different CPU vendors has no bearing on anything, it's just an abstract number.

I don't think @4K8KW10 was refering to Latency, i think he was refering to Cache throughput.

humbug · 5 Jul 2019 at 13:54

kitfit1 said:
I don't think @4K8KW10 was refering to Latency, i think he was refering to Cache throughput.

Well that as maybe, he usually does.

ricid · 5 Jul 2019 at 13:55

Journey said:
What PCI-E devices are you using to need 8x/8x layout? How many drives are you wanting to connect up and use at the same time?

I only need X1, but I need 3 of them + GPU. I have a 3 slot GPU cooler to keep noise levels down - All the B450 boards I've seen disable slot 4 when you enable the pcie m.2 which means there are only two accessible slots left. So it's a physical layout thing rather than a lack of lanes.

8 Pack · 5 Jul 2019 at 13:55

Latency is not irrelevant if you bench Super Pi....

orbitalwalsh · 5 Jul 2019 at 13:55

beany_bot said:
I have no reason to disbelive 8 pack. I dare say he's probably an honest guy.

But I would also me a moron to take an employees word for the performance of something when they have a vested interest in selling it. We have had zero reviews of it and still no word on pricing.

true, and doesn't matter whether its amd or intel a sale is a sale. least he's been able to do B450 . most reviewers may struggle to get out b450 for a while thanks so nivida throwing in SUPER cards and then forcing AIB Super card reviews a few days later

Journey · 5 Jul 2019 at 13:58

orbitalwalsh said:
so you did or didnt lol

Firstly where did I use the word NEVER?

Also why the selective quoting missing out what I said, what point are you trying to prove?

"I said $249, I didn't convert one currency, to another then another, then add tax."

I converted it once, from $:£. Not from Yen, to $ to £ + tax from an unknown source. I am not sure what job you do in the I.T. hardware sector, but I provided information that I was supplied direct from a manufacturer at the end of May, revised in Mid June.

So once again, what are you trying to prove here?

Bloot · 5 Jul 2019 at 13:59

8 Pack said:
X570 Taichi I tried a lot. Bios is great and its working very very well...... On a par with the best I tried.

I said last night about OC .... Take single core boost -200mhz for 24-7 OC on all CPUs with 2x8gb 3600c16 RAM and X570 platform. All CPU I tried can do this.

Obviously will be some silicon lottery but none could match boost frequency with all core OC and very few can run 3733mhz RAM 1:1 with Infinity Fabric.

Orange Nexus · 5 Jul 2019 at 13:59

8 Pack said:
Latency is not irrelevant if you bench Super Pi....

So, can you tell us the latency of 3600 MHz CL16? If you tested such speeds on a X570.

Now, AMD is claiming that the so called game cache helps offset issues in latency.

humbug · 5 Jul 2019 at 13:59

8 Pack said:
Latency is not irrelevant if you bench Super Pi....

For playing Super PI, sure....

That's not intended to be derogatory, but it is a bit of an abstract game

4K8KW10 · 5 Jul 2019 at 13:59

humbug said:
Well that as maybe, he usually does.

I usually speak about latency?? I don't get what you mean - it's wrong.

kitfit1 said:
I don't think @4K8KW10 was refering to Latency, i think he was refering to Cache throughput.

Yes, it's disturbing that nobody pays attention to that 3.1 TB/s L1 copy :eek:

And all other massively higher than of a heavily OCed i9-9900K :eek:

kitfit1 · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:01

8 Pack said:
Latency is not irrelevant if you bench Super Pi....

No, it's not. Then again neither is Cas............................Cas30 at 4000Mhz has got to be a joke though, shurely Ian ?

humbug · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:04

4K8KW10 said:
I usually speak about latency?? I don't get what you mean - it's wrong.

Yes, it's disturbing that nobody pays attention to that 3.1 TB/s L1 copy And all other massively higher than of a heavily OCed i9-9900K

Ok, i'll take it back

and yes that is impressive. that sort of massive through-put should help in games.

kitfit1 · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:04

4K8KW10 said:
Yes, it's disturbing that nobody pays attention to that 3.1 TB/s L1 copy And all other massively higher than of a heavily OCed i9-9900K

Well, it certainly caught my attention

Jacky60 · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:05

humbug said:
So £180 is the cheapest ASRock X570, not a bad looking board tho... VRM looks beefy.

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X570 Phantom Gaming X/index.asp

That's more like it! I can see myself buying one of those, I like Asrock Bios and £180 while more than I'd like to pay isn't outrageous.

humbug · 5 Jul 2019 at 14:07

Jacky60 said:
That's more like it! I can see myself buying one of those, I like Asrock Bios and £180 while more than I'd like to pay isn't outrageous.

No, i messed up with that... unfortunately that's a much more expensive board, the £180 one look's a bit naff.

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