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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

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4K8KW10 said:
Does anyone know when we can expect to hear an announcement from AMD regarding Zen 3?

The old Ryzen 3000 series haven't received any discounts which means no one is preparing currently for its release. After all, the retailers should clear their stock and warehouses for the new batches.
Ryzen 7 3700X for £340 more than a year after its launch is not ok.
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It can be 288.
Massive difference from your figure.
 
They've all gone back up since the 10th Gen Intel parts came out and were just pointless, until then you could pick up 3700X's £245-255 at retail. I guess the fact that Intel offered nothing new (again) meant that they only needed the prices to stay low while the flurry of reviews were around, now they are out of sight, out of mind.
 
Journey said:
They've all gone back up since the 10th Gen Intel parts came out and were just pointless, until then you could pick up 3700X's £245-255 at retail. I guess the fact that Intel offered nothing new (again) meant that they only needed the prices to stay low while the flurry of reviews were around, now they are out of sight, out of mind.
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Yea it's this.

Also, did Intel CPU prices ever drop just before a new release? (Serious question, I never took notice).

It would be unwise for AMD to rest on their laurels at this point. They have only barely taken the lead, and their market share is still low. I hope they continue to push and don't take it easy in the face of the current and future bad news that will come out of Intel fabs.
 
I DON'T fancy boys said:
Yea it's this.

Also, did Intel CPU prices ever drop just before a new release? (Serious question, I never took notice).

It would be unwise for AMD to rest on their laurels at this point. They have only barely taken the lead, and their market share is still low. I hope they continue to push and don't take it easy in the face of the current and future bad news that will come out of Intel fabs.
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Lol.................Intel prices have never really dropped, even for brand new DOA cpu's.
AMD could well be called lot's of things, but resting on their laurels certainly isn't one of them. They have a very clear and defined roadmap and have had for some time. So far, they have have delivered on every Zen promise. Zen 3 is due shortly, but i fully expect it to match or even exceed AMD's promise.
 
Journey said:
They've all gone back up since the 10th Gen Intel parts came out and were just pointless, until then you could pick up 3700X's £245-255 at retail. I guess the fact that Intel offered nothing new (again) meant that they only needed the prices to stay low while the flurry of reviews were around, now they are out of sight, out of mind.
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Maybe AMD are cutting back on production to free up fabs for Zen3 and also they now have console orders. High demand, less supply and higher prices.
 
I don't know if AMD had manufacturing issues due to Covid, but demand for their CPUs went through the roof because of working from home.
 
Just fixed an issue with my computer taking a long time to warm up, stuttering when viewing videos and system in general.

Turned out be Device Manager > AMD Sata Controller , uninstalled and replaced with Standard SATA AHCI Controller.

Check that if anyone has similar problems.
 
Jokester said:
I don't know if AMD had manufacturing issues due to Covid, but demand for their CPUs went through the roof because of working from home.
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I would really like to know what the sales figures are like in the laptop space in the last quarter. This is probably the most telling indicator on how well AMD is eroding into intel’s overall computing market share.

also would be interested in how the Epyc server space is doing for AMD, I mean coming from absolutely 0 market share to even a single digit cap should be quite impressive consider the dominance of intel in this sector.

there is a certain OEM PC builder with their AMD systems have been consistent popping up on hotukdeals etc so I am guessing there are lots of sales as the result of these exposures.
 
sityeuropa said:
Just fixed an issue with my computer taking a long time to warm up, stuttering when viewing videos and system in general.

Turned out be Device Manager > AMD Sata Controller , uninstalled and replaced with Standard SATA AHCI Controller.

Check that if anyone has similar problems.
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That's your own fault as you manually installed a driver (via Device Manager) designed for Windows 7 only.

AMD CPU users on Windows 10 should use the (default) Microsoft in the box driver.

More info: https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-250

You'd be amazed how many users obsess over manually installing this driver and then having various issues.
 
sityeuropa said:
I've never done that manually. I've installed AMD chipset drivers quite often, do you think that took over them at some point?
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Interesting.

The AMD Sata Driver is only installed when Win 7 is detected as an OS. If Windows 10 is detected, the driver is not installed.
 
Saul Farrell said:
Newbie here! What is an IPC gain?
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IPC is Instructions Per Clock. At 4GHz, A CPU clock ticks 4 billion times per second. At 5GHz it ticks 5 billion times per second. The CPU carries out instructions during each clock tick. The new Ryzen 4000 CPUs will have about 20% higher IPC. This will have the same effect as increasing the frequency by 20%. So a Ryzen 4000 CPU running at 4GHz will be as fast as a Ryzen 3000 CPU running at 4.8GHz because 4.8GHz is 20% higher than 4GHz. It's more efficient to increase the IPC than it is to increase the frequency.

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will it be worth upgrading from a ryzen 5 3600?
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It's 20% faster. It depends if 20% is important to you. I've got a 2600 so I'd see an extra 35% if I upgraded so definitely worth it.

It will definately be worth watching reviews because there's some very interesting improvements coming to the new Ryzen CPU's which may see an even bigger bump than 20% in games.
 
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IPC is Instructions Per Clock. At 4GHz, A CPU clock ticks 4 billion times per second. At 5GHz it ticks 5 billion times per second. The CPU carries out instructions during each clock tick. The new Ryzen 4000 CPUs will have about 20% higher IPC. This will have the same effect as increasing the frequency by 20%. So a Ryzen 4000 CPU running at 4GHz will be as fast as a Ryzen 3000 CPU running at 4.8GHz because 4.8GHz is 20% higher than 4GHz. It's more efficient to increase the IPC than it is to increase the frquency.
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Oh okay thanks for that explanation! Just built my first PC two weeks ago!
 
Saul Farrell said:
Newbie here! What is an IPC gain? Also if this is true will it be worth upgrading from a ryzen 5 3600?
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Instructions Per Clock Cylcle.

It how much work a CPU is able to do at a given clock speed.

For example.

Score 544: AMD Ryzen R5 3600 at 4.675Ghz, TNA
Score 547: Intel Core i7 8700K at 5.2Ghz, Radox-0

Single thread Cinebench R20.
8700K scores 547 at 5.2Ghz
3600 scores 544 at 4.675Ghz

Both score the same but the 8700K is clocked 525Mhz higher (12%) so the Ryzen 3600 does 12% more work per clock Cycle, it has 12% higher IPC.

Both CPU's are 6 core 12 thread.

Multithreaded performance.

Score 4125: AMD Ryzen R5 3600 at 4.5Ghz, RavenXXX2
Score 4124: Intel Core i7 8700K at 5.2Ghz, Chaos666

Again the same score but this time the 3600 is only clocked at 4.5Ghz.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/foru...ocuk-cinebench-r20-benchmark-thread.18849380/

If you were to increase the IPC of the 3600, like Zen 3 4600 by 15%, at 4.675Ghz the score would go up from 544 to 627.
 
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