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*** AMD "Zen 4" thread (inc AM5/APU discussion) ***

Not sure why you're even bothering if you play at 4K with a 3080 unless your after more performance for productivity.
Why did people upgrade to new Intel motherboards and CPUs for Alder Lake? These upgrades were not cheap either, especially for the Z690 boards.

If I buy a new PC, I want it to upgradable, rather than e-waste after a few years. Eventually, I might buy a pcie5 nvme drive too (still using a couple of sata ssds for now).
 
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Why did people upgrade to new Intel motherboards and CPUs for Alder Lake? These upgrades were not cheap either, especially for the Z690 boards.

If I buy a new PC, I want it to upgradable, rather than e-waste after a few years. Eventually, I might buy a pcie5 nvme drive too (still using a couple of sata ssds for now).
I'm just pointing out that you'll be spending a lot of cash especially as an early adopter for no real world gains in gaming, a pcie gen 5.0 nvme over a cheap gen 3.0 won't really do anything either unless your transferring a lot of data around regularly.

You'd get more 4K gaming performance by moving from a 3080 to 3080ti but I wouldn't recommend that either.
 
I'm just pointing out that you'll be spending a lot of cash especially as an early adopter for no real world gains in gaming, a pcie gen 5.0 nvme over a cheap gen 3.0 won't really do anything either unless your transferring a lot of data around regularly.

You'd get more 4K gaming performance by moving from a 3080 to 3080ti but I wouldn't recommend that either.
I see your point but i think @g67575 is looking for a long term investment. Yes he spends out now but that is it done for a few years, any other upgrades will just be slott in upgrades. Components will probably only get more expensive over time as that is teh way of teh world, so if you can afford it do it now and know if you want to you can slam Zen 5 3D in the rig in a few years time. Thsi si something currently you cannot get from Intel
 
tbh, with antialiasing improving in games all the time, ill happily settle for 1080p resolution if needed. I can probably play games at 1080p for quite a few years, without upgrading my gfx card. Or, use DLSS or similar technologies, if that's an option.

I care more about steady performance in games. If I can also spend less time waiting for stuff to load or install in the future, that's a nice bonus.
 
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I see your point but i think @g67575 is looking for a long term investment. Yes he spends out now but that is it done for a few years, any other upgrades will just be slott in upgrades. Components will probably only get more expensive over time as that is teh way of teh world, so if you can afford it do it now and know if you want to you can slam Zen 5 3D in the rig in a few years time. Thsi si something currently you cannot get from Intel
I'd disagree, the current ram, MB and CPUs will all get cheap the longer you wait but even then you're essentially paying getting on for 1k for what will be a sidegrade in 4k gaming with a 3080.
 
There's no mandatory requirement to play at 4k resolution lol. As much as Nvidia (I imagine) wishes it could be so.

If you know your PC is CPU or memory bottlenecked in some situations (Ubisoft games), this is what most people would want to upgrade next. If I could overclock my CPU a hell of a lot, I would probably settle with that for a little while longer.
 
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There's no mandatory requirement to play at 4k resolution lol. As much as Nvidia (I imagine) wishes it could be so.

If you know your PC is CPU or memory bottlenecked in some situations (Ubisoft games), this is what most people would want to upgrade next. If I could overclock my CPU a hell of a lot, I would probably settle with that for a little while longer.
I found very little difference going from a 3600 to 5800X @1440p with a 3080 so I doubt zen 4 would make much difference either.
 
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Well, this is my MB - https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X470 Master SLI/index.asp#CPU . 5800x3D is not listed as supported.
BIOS - https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X470 Master SLI/index.asp#BIOS Latest is with "Update AMD AM4 AGESA Combo V2 PI 1.2.0.7"

Other x470 from them, Taichi, has the CPU supported in the list - https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X470 Taichi/index.asp#CPU
BIOS is with the same AGESA for both: Update AMD AM4 AGESA Combo V2 PI 1.2.0.7 https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X470 Taichi/index.asp#BIOS

BIOS Size is 256mb for both.

Only reason I can think of is either they've "forgot" to put it as supported in the list for my MB or it will come later on.

At this point I'm in no hurry either way. :)

X470 Master SLI.
AMD AM4 AGESA Combo V2 PI 1.2.0.7

Supports 5800X3D, says so even on techpowerup.

 
AMD AM4 AGESA Combo V2 PI 1.2.0.7

Supports 5800X3D, says so even on techpowerup.


Yeah it should be but it's not showing up in supported CPUs

 
I found very little difference going from a 3600 to 5800X @1440p with a 3080 so I doubt zen 4 would make much difference either.
Also, there's a couple of other problems with my current motherboard, firstly the CPU clock sometimes throttles down to 4.5ghz in games (worse with HT enabled), and the PCIe 4 slot only operates in PCIe 3 mode (due to using a Comet Lake CPU).
 
Really hope the lacklustre sales lights a fire under their butts to get the 3D chips out ASAP... as in launch AND wide availability in Q1
 
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Hmm I really like the look of 7950x (currently on 5950x) but the platform costs are insane.

It seems that you're better off going 2 DIMMs than 4, and to get 2x32gb DDR5-6000 is ~£970.

Why is it that new DRAM generations seem to never be worth it, always crazy pricing for marginal performance.
 
The excuses that DDR5 and PCI 5.0 add massive costs to X670/E Motherboard manufacturing which feeds through to pricing is kinda mute when you compare the same series Z790 & X670/E boards from manufacturers, its only the X670/E boards that have a premium. The intel boards are competitively priced whereas the AMD prices are just off the scale.
 
The excuses that DDR5 and PCI 5.0 add massive costs to X670/E Motherboard manufacturing which feeds through to pricing is kinda mute when you compare the same series Z790 & X670/E boards from manufacturers, its only the X670/E boards that have a premium. The intel boards are competitively priced whereas the AMD prices are just off the scale.
Z790 is very expensive as well though, not sure why you think they are competitively priced. Z690 has some cheap and good options though on DDR4.

Think MLID did a comparison for like for like between Z790 and X670/E for the main mobo manufacturers eg Z790 HERO vs X670 HERO and it was $30-$40 premium on the x670

On OCUK

Z690 HERO £579
Z790 HERO £679
X670E HERO £649
 
Yeah I don't get it, at my local store z790 and x670e boards have the same prices, z790 isn't cheaper like he's trying to claim
 
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I think to some extent, people need to get real when it comes to motherboard pricing. Look at Intel's DDR5 motherboards, they are all priced at £190 or more. It doesn't matter that they will soon be a last gen chipset. This is what adds costs to motherboards.

I'm not expecting to pay £70 like I did for my current motherboard, tbh think it would be a pretty bad idea :D. Best case, probably £150 for the cheapest AM5 B650 boards, more likely closer to £200. I am hoping that DDR5 prices will drop another 10% or so though...
 
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