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*** AMD "Zen 4" thread (inc AM5/APU discussion) ***

as you know , my system is unstable

been playing some project cars 2 last couple of days

been trying it in VR

sometimes I manage to do 3 laps, sometimes, not even 1 before i crash

in non-VR mode, I've done about 5 laps before i crash

just installed the new chipset drivers (removing old ones from the windows/settings/apps page)

back into gam (non-VR) and did the full race (10 laps !) then it crashed lol

hopefully the stability has improved
 
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Hey guys, I don't know much about ram at all. I got a 7600x and a 5600 mhz kit with 38 CL latency or whatever.

So I was "lucky" and got Hynix memory, and lazily just changed it to 6000 mhz and 34 latency, and it's stable. I was happy enough with this that I didn't try to tune it further - but my question is, does only the mhz and the CL matter? Do all the other numbers matter for FPS?
 
Been running mine like this, my AIDA results aren't amazing but I think that's due to 7700X not being as fast, latency was lower into the 50s when system was fresh.

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Apparently this make the ram run hotter and so they recommend active cooling. Stick a fan on my ram? That's a no from me. I need DDR5 temps before and after and 4K data.

Based on the other recent ram recommendations my AM5 RAM kit of choice would be G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30. I don't think those have the 50% gains, at least not in this video.
 
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^ err, Linus called this out several times in the past few weeks on the WAN show. Suffice to say he was not happy about it.

Edit: As I see has been mentioned by several people in reply to that tweet!
 
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Don't count on AMD releasing Zen 4 Threadripper CPU's.

They are aggressively battling Intel in Datacentre taking huge chunks of marketshare, they want to be able to supply that.

Intel want AMD to service the HEDT space if it means slowing AMD's datacentre march, they might service existing customers like Lenovo, but retail.... not a chance.
 
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humbug said:
Don't count on AMD releasing Zen 4 Threadripper CPU's.

They are aggressively battling Intel in Datacentre taking huge chunks of marketshare, they want to be able to supply that.

Intel want AMD to service the HEDT space if it means slowing AMD's datacentre march, they might service existing customers like Lenovo, but retail.... not a chance.
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More chance than last gen. With Intel trying to push HEDT and rumours been for a whole with more solid rumours in November/December 22 then I can see them coming this time. It is more a reactive to Intel mind with PCIE lanes and such.
 
It's clear AMD has Datacentre as the primary market/target and Consumer/Desktop (e.g. Ryzen) as secondary. Workstation (TR Pro) and HEDT (TR) are, in that order, waaaaay behind in their priorities.

But how much of that was pure supply constraints vs complete lack of competition? Intel actually now have a competitor it seems, and AMD have an easy win if they want to take it.

If it is supply based then quite possibly the Lenovo Workstation stuff might be all we see, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see some availability of HEDT/non-pro Threadrippers 'soon', it's not like it's a huge market so won't actually take up much of that precious data centre supply...
 
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It's clear AMD has Datacentre as the primary market/target and Consumer/Desktop (e.g. Ryzen) as secondary. Workstation (TR Pro) and HEDT (TR) are, in that order, waaaaay behind in their priorities.

But how much of that was pure supply constraints vs complete lack of competition? Intel actually now have a competitor it seems, and AMD have an easy win if they want to take it.

If it is supply based then quite possibly the Lenovo Workstation stuff might be all we see, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see some availability of HEDT/non-pro Threadrippers 'soon', it's not like it's a huge market so won't actually take up much of that precious data centre supply...
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Yes exactly this.

AMD does not have an infinite supply, they have a lot but not enough to do everything they want to do.

The fact is the most important to AMD is taking 40% of Datacentre market share with in the next couple of years, they are on track to do it and if they do manage it they are set, made and comfortable for the next decade at least.
Seconds is retail mainstream, the CPU's you and i buy.
Their third task is to keep the OEM's they have built a relationship with happy, not just workstations but also Laptop's and pre-built Desktops.

Forth and last is retail HEDT, and i would say, despite what Intel are doing AMD are already not interested, Intel's usual tricks to stop AMD are not working, AMD are already making way more money than Intel in datacentre and if they don't stop AMD it could actually become a liability to them, AMD know this, they are using the tactics Intel used to almost bankrupt AMD in the early 2000's against them this time round, its quite poetic...
Intel are trying to open up a revenue stream with HEDT, this knowing AMD could crush them and yet again embarrass them if they wanted to, but that's the point, Intel are also hoping AMD will take the bait, because if they do it means less supply for datacentre.
 
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humbug said:
Yes exactly this.

AMD does not have an infinite supply, they have a lot but not enough to do everything they want to do.

The fact is the most important to AMD is taking 40% of Datacentre market share with in the next couple of years, they are on track to do it and if they do manage it they are set, made and comfortable for the next decade at least.
Seconds is retail mainstream, the CPU's you and i buy.
Their third task is to keep the OEM's they have built a relationship with happy, not just workstations but also Laptop's and pre-built Desktops.

Forth and last is retail HEDT, and i would say, despite what Intel are doing AMD are already not interested, Intel's usual tricks to stop AMD are not working, AMD are already making way more money than Intel in datacentre and if they don't stop AMD it could actually become a liability to them, AMD know this, they are using the tactics Intel used to almost bankrupt AMD in the early 2000's against them this time round, its quite poetic...
Intel are trying to open up a revenue stream with HEDT, this knowing AMD could crush them and yet again embarrass them if they wanted to, but that's the point, Intel are also hoping AMD will take the bait, because if they do it means less supply for datacentre.
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I think its:
First = Servers
Second = OEM's
Third = Retail
Then = HEDT

OEM's have massive volume so offer the biggest market share opportunities; retail is tiny.
 
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I think its:
First = Servers
Second = OEM's
Third = Retail
Then = HEDT

OEM's have massive volume so offer the biggest market share opportunities; retail is tiny.
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You might be right but AMD do seem to want to service mainstream retail quite hard, they have lost some OEM marketshare as servers have ramped up but not retail, and supply is solid, they have even released cheaper low power versions of all but one of the Ryzen 7000 series seemingly as a way to say sorry we got the price wrong, they are for all intents and purposes the same CPU's.
 
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You might be right but AMD do seem to want to service mainstream retail quite hard, they have lost some OEM marketshare as servers have ramped up but not retail, and supply is solid, they have even released cheaper low power versions of all but one of the Ryzen 7000 series seemingly as a way to say sorry we got the price wrong, they are for all intents and purposes the same CPU's.
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The relatively small amount of retail buyers is VERY vocal, probably helps with marketing (even though the most vocal tend to focus on issues). With OEM’s they are pushing the laptop chips hard.
 
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AGESA 1.0.0.5c for AM5 is out, has anyone tried it yet?

I'm tempted to stay on 1.0.0.4 as my current (beta) BIOS is actually much more stable than the previous releases (on a B650 PG Lighting board) - despite the issues that were discovered later for this BIOS with a 6 core 7600X.

The last time I updated the chipset driver was in December, is version 5.01.29.2026 the latest for ASRock boards?

Reddit page here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ASRock/comments/1183y1x/weekly_bios_update_post_week_08_2023/
 
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I keep getting this error message when I click on the chipset install summary:

AMD Chipset Software Install Summary

Name : AMD GPIO Driver (for Promontory)
Version : 3.0.0.0
Install : Fail

Is this related to my B650 motherboard not having a Promontory chipset maybe?

It does have a Prom21 chip, would this use a different driver?
 
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