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*** AMD "Zen 4" thread (inc AM5/APU discussion) ***
Soldato
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Not quite the improvement I was hoping for in gaming...
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If you watched it you would see the 5800x3D is the part that means the 7600x isn't always a clear winner. What is missing is the cost difference. And click bait title etc because that is what all of YT is regardless of channel size.
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Uhm, what?
12600k is on top.
Anyways, the 7950x is good for heavy MT users, but needs a lower power limit, it's very inefficient up there according to TPUP. The rest of the lineup doesn't have a reason to exist, they are absolutely pointless
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Because it works. Linus if you like him or not has stated why they use them in the past.
Click bait crappy titles and stupid looking thumbnails drive clicks.
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Can't see many going from zen 3 to then 4, AMDs CPU honeymoon period is over.
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Hmm AMD will still most likely win for gaming with the 3d cache version of zen4
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Where are you seeing this?
Everything i have seen suggests the 7600x and 12600k trade blows.
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Was talking about productivity, where the 7600x is both slower and less efficient, but sure - check gaming as well
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Meets my expectations, I wasn't expecting it to beat the 5800X3D in games due to the lack of V-cache. It does pretty well in other areas like rendering/encoding/etc. I'm not liking the power draw on the 7950X but capping the limit to something more sensible still performs strongly. For gamers, waiting for the 3D versions definitely is best.
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They are gaming cpus.
I have 5900x I won't be going to intel either hopefully can skip few generations and once do get big uplift
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5800x3d gamers are watching this while tea bagging their monitors.
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So just ignore the gaming benchmarks average. Out of the 6 reviews I have read through the tables the 7600x on average is 20% faster in gaming than the 12600k.
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What? The thing I posted is a gaming benchmark average, what are you talking about?
Anyways, my point was productivity, where the 7600x is both slower and consumes more. Also - it's competition is the upcoming raptor lake.
Only the 7950x is good for heavy MT users, and that requires a power limit, else it's less efficient than the 5950x. The rest of the lineup didn't need to exist, it's absolutely atrocious
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So you didn't include techpower up reviews?
Depends which game you like.
I think the 7600x is good for a £250 CPU.
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The puzzling bit for me is that reviewer says that cooling the zen 4 is a mission and they struggled to get under 95 deg which is where throttling begins... but also mentions that amd state these temps are normal.Techpowerup has a bunch of reviews up!
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X Review - Impressive 16-core Powerhouse
AMD Ryzen 9 7900X Review - Creator Might, Priced Right
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X Review - Impressive 16-core Powerhouse
The Ryzen 9 7950X is a monster CPU. When paired with the right workload it will eat even the 12900K for breakfast. As our review shows, the performance uplifts can be massive: +30-50% gen-over-gen is totally possible. What makes things complicated though, is that keeping the beast cool is almost...www.techpowerup.com
AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Review - The Best Zen 4 for Gaming
AMD Ryzen 9 7900X Review - Creator Might, Priced Right
The Ryzen 9 7900X is a creator's dream. It offers 12-cores and 24-threads that perform fantastic not only in highly-threaded workloads, but single-threaded performance is also there. Priced at $550 it sits right in the middle between Ryzen 9 7950X and Ryzen 7 7700X.
AMD Ryzen 5 7600X Review - Affordable Zen 4 for Gaming
AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Review - The Best Zen 4 for Gaming
With the Ryzen 7 7700X, AMD is introducing their fastest Zen 4 processor for gamers. In our review we found out that gaming on the 7700X runs better than the 7900X and 7950X, thanks to the single CCD design of the 7700X. Just like on other high-end AM5 CPUs, temperatures are a problem though.
AMD Ryzen 5 7600X Review - Affordable Zen 4 for Gaming
Ryzen 5 7600X is the company's most affordable offering for the Zen 4 family. Our review of the 7600X confirms that this new $300 CPU offers huge performance gains over Zen 3, and can even beat the Ryzen 5800X3D in gaming. In applications, the 7600X is faster than the Intel Core i9-11900K.
I struggle to get my head around how close normal and high temps are in amd's minds.
So, the 7700X is around 5 percent faster than the 5800X3D in gaming on average (720p), not bad.
It looks like there will probably be another 9 percent of performance gained in games for Zen 4 + vcache, if zen 3 vs the 5800X3D is anything to go by.
It looks like there will probably be another 9 percent of performance gained in games for Zen 4 + vcache, if zen 3 vs the 5800X3D is anything to go by.
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Everything is less efficient than the 5950x because they cherry pick the very best cores to put into that product. If you cap a 5950x to 12 cores it will still use 20% less power than a 5900x because of the cherry picked cores.