AMD Zen 5 rumours

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

You can get that now (at least in mini ITX) as I was considering the ROG Strix X670E-I as I think the only difference between X670 and X870 is the faster memory speeds as that board has USB4. For mini ITX, that board is the only option if you want USB4 and it isn't cheap.
The other advantage of waiting is that maybe for X870 ITX, other vendors might launch on day 1 as I would really prefer not to buy Asus after the way they have been caught treating customers this year.

In general the B650 motherboards are half arsed efforts IMHO. None of them support PCI-E 5.0 main graphics card slots,and you are forced to pay at least £250+ for a B650E/X670E version. PCI-E 5.0 should be easy to implement on a mini-ITX motherboard(Intel ones have it for less money) due to short signal lengths and the chipset I/O isn't being taxed as much.

For me,also only Asus and ASRock motherboards are of interest. They have a centralised CPU socket which means less conflict with cases such as the NCase M1 which I own. The MSI and Gigabyte socket placement is higher up.

 

[KompuKare]

AMD Ryzen 9 9950X hits nearly 6 GHz, tops single-core performance charts - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 9 9950X at 6 GHz A pre-launch sample shows significantly improved performance through overclocking. AMD has announced the postponement of the Ryzen 9000 launch due to undisclosed manufacturing issues. The company plans to recall units sent to distributors and replace them with new...

videocardz.com

A "what shall I do with the ES chip I have to hand?"

Suicide run!

 

[edgedemon]

In general the B650 motherboards are half arsed efforts IMHO. None of them support PCI-E 5.0 main graphics card slots,and you are forced to pay at least £250+ for a B650E/X670E version. PCI-E 5.0 should be easy to implement on a mini-ITX motherboard(Intel ones have it for less money) due to short signal lengths and the chipset I/O isn't being taxed as much.

For me,also only Asus and ASRock motherboards are of interest. They have a centralised CPU socket which means less conflict with cases such as the NCase M1 which I own. The MSI and Gigabyte socket placement is higher up.

Im planning a build around the Dan A4 H2O now, the NCase M2 would have been my preferred choice but I doubt that will be in stock for a while
I was looking at and gently crying at the price they wanted for the Strix, but I remember paying £550 for my Rampage IV extreme when it first came out, and I don't mind spending on the mobo as it is at the heart of everything.

 

[alec]

Some wins for AMD
1. Staggered launch date better for hype and sales
2. Under pretense of better testing process gets to ship pre-binned CPUs
3. Allow Intel to dig their hole deeper. Even if microcode update is not ready for testing, all reviewers will be extremely cautious with Intel results

 

[Fluffybob]

Just a quick question on the new arrivals coming out, will it make a big difference on the price on the AM4 CPUs (looking at a 5800X3D to extend the life of my old kit)

 

[Dicehunter]

TBF,the X3D and 800 series boards are coming later - hopefully not too delayed.

The 800 series boards aren't anything exciting IMO, It's just X670 with more USB and compatibility with faster memory kits but you can already get 7600+ working on X670 and anything higher is overkill.

 

[Rob_B]

Just a quick question on the new arrivals coming out, will it make a big difference on the price on the AM4 CPUs (looking at a 5800X3D to extend the life of my old kit)

Maybe, depends on performance and price of the new chips. I wouldn't expect massive drops, there's still a lot of folks on AM4 and the "best" chip is the 5800x3d so very little pressure to discount it if it's still selling well.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Im planning a build around the Dan A4 H2O now, the NCase M2 would have been my preferred choice but I doubt that will be in stock for a while
I was looking at and gently crying at the price they wanted for the Strix, but I remember paying £550 for my Rampage IV extreme when it first came out, and I don't mind spending on the mobo as it is at the heart of everything.

They are overpriced for they offer. It's annoying when many don't even have a PCI-E 5.0 M2 slot and want to charge £200.

The 800 series boards aren't anything exciting IMO, It's just X670 with more USB and compatibility with faster memory kits but you can already get 7600+ working on X670 and anything higher is overkill.

The mini-ITX motherboards are low rate efforts for AM5. All use the same Promontory 21 chipset too - yet the same companies are OK putting in PCI-E 5.0 for cheaper Intel motherboards. Hoping they refresh them with B850/X870 motherboards with better connectivity for the price. The only two mini-ITX motherboards upto 3000 I would even consider are the budget A620 one from ASRock(one of the cheapest ones at £160!) or the Asus B650I one which is between £250 to £300. If I am spending near enough £300 anyway on a motherboard,I might as well save up some more and get a newer one.

 

[humbug]

Full official statement here.

AMD is slightly delaying its Ryzen 9000 desktop CPUs ‘out of an abundance of caution’

From July to August.

www.theverge.com

“out of an abundance of caution.”

This is not because AMD’s found any issues with the actual chips, spokesperson Stacy MacDiarmid tells The Verge. Rather, AMD discovered some of its chips didn’t go through all of the proper testing procedures, and the company wants to make sure they do.

So 2 weeks more testing? We do things proper, i didn't know AMD were from Yorkshire, Where's Patrick?

 

[Grim5]

Yep so as expected, chips shipped without completing binning

 

[Legion]

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[JediFragger]

Yep so as expected, chips shipped without completing binning

 

[JediFragger]

or the Asus B650I one which is between £250 to £300.

I got a real good deal on the Strix B650E-I/7800X3D (nice chip, does -30 PBO easy)/32GB of 6000C30 DDR5 for £500, think I did pretty well at that? Just gotta slap it and the XTX into a Dan A3 case now and away!

 

[Grim5]

 

[Scooby-DoobyDoo]

I wonder when we will see the 9800x3D

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I got a real good deal on the Strix B650E-I/7800X3D (nice chip, does -30 PBO easy)/32GB of 6000C30 DDR5 for £500, think I did pretty well at that? Just gotta slap it and the XTX into a Dan A3 case now and away!

New or secondhand?

 

[JediFragger]

I wonder when we will see the 9800x3D

Depends if Intel put them under any pressure with AL imo, but if not then next year.

 

[JediFragger]

New or secondhand?

2nd hand ofc.

 

[edgedemon]

They are overpriced for they offer. It's annoying when many don't even have a PCI-E 5.0 M2 slot and want to charge £200.


The mini-ITX motherboards are low rate efforts for AM5. All use the same Promontory 21 chipset too - yet the same companies are OK putting in PCI-E 5.0 for cheaper Intel motherboards. Hoping they refresh them with B850/X870 motherboards with better connectivity for the price. The only two mini-ITX motherboards upto 3000 I would even consider are the budget A620 one from ASRock(one of the cheapest ones at £160!) or the Asus B650I one which is between £250 to £300. If I am spending near enough £300 anyway on a motherboard,I might as well save up some more and get a newer one.

I haven't looked at Intel for 10yrs so I don't know what they offer any more tbh.
All the ITX boards I looked at offered PCI-E 5.0 M2 on the top of the board and a PCI-E 4.0 M2 either stacked on the top or an additional slot on the back of the mobo which was good enough for me.
It is pretty impressive how much they can cram on to such a tiny board now, that's partly (as well as the need to save space) why I decided ITX for this build, I feel it is finally getting there now, especially with the innovative cases around such as Form D, Dan and NCASE

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I haven't looked at Intel for 10yrs so I don't know what they offer any more tbh.
All the ITX boards I looked at offered PCI-E 5.0 M2 on the top of the board and a PCI-E 4.0 M2 either stacked on the top or an additional slot on the back of the mobo which was good enough for me.
It is pretty impressive how much they can cram on to such a tiny board now, that's partly (as well as the need to save space) why I decided ITX for this build, I feel it is finally getting there now, especially with the innovative cases around such as Form D, Dan and NCASE

I have not had an ATX build for nearly 20 years and do mostly SFF builds for mates now. The B650 motherboards were dissapointing in how they stagnated over the previous generation IMHO.

My B450I(and the X470I) had dual slots in 2018. But AMD nerfed a PCI-E 4.0 update for it! The B550/X570 motherboards could also do dual slots.

There are 4 B650 mini-ITX motherboards available - only two have PCI-E 5.0 M2 slots and the rest are all PCI-E 4.0 for everything. The A620 mini-ITX boards start at £150 to £160 and are all PCI-E 4.0 too. Basically most of the sub £250 AM5 mini-ITX motherboards haven't improved that much. For the sort of money they are charging all the B650 boards should have PCI-E 5.0,especially as the signal lengths are very short. This means the AIB partners CBA to pay for certification costs.The three B650E/X670E motherboards which are all PCI-E 5.0 are over £250. There were Intel motherboards as low as £150 which supported it. A basic Intel mini-ITX motherboard(DDR5 and equivalent of the A620) is available from around £100.

2nd hand ofc.

Nice price on it.