AMD Zen 5 rumours

edgedemon · 25 Jul 2024 at 14:15

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
There were Intel motherboards as low as £150 which supported it. A basic Intel mini-ITX motherboard(DDR5 and equivalent of the A620) is available from around £100.

When you look at it that way, it is pretty bad then, but with AMD you get a better CPU so maybe there isn't the incentive for them to bother.
Just like AMD forced Intel to go above six cores,, maybe if Intel had a competitive CPU range the board partners would be forced to innovate again. I do agree with you in part, X870 is hardly a decent upgrade when you look at X670, very lacklustre step forward for what I'm sure will be a lot of money.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 25 Jul 2024 at 14:19

edgedemon said:
When you look at it that way, it is pretty bad then, but with AMD you get a better CPU so maybe there isn't the incentive for them to bother.
Just like AMD forced Intel to go above six cores,, maybe if Intel had a competitive CPU range the board partners would be forced to innovate again. I do agree with you in part, X870 is hardly a decent upgrade when you look at X670, very lacklustre step forward for what I'm sure will be a lot of money.

A mate wanted to build a cheap AM5 mini-ITX system - no overclocking or tweaking,just RAM set to DOCP. The A620 motherboard cost just under £160 on offer and the Ryzen 5 7600 cost only slightly more! :cry:

Then you see ASRock make the ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 for £100~£120 which has a great VRM,etc - the mini-ITX pricing is taking the mickey. Apparently its getting worse - the A620 has been rebranded to B840.

Rob_B · 25 Jul 2024 at 14:33

Isn't the 840 potentially worse than some 620s?

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 25 Jul 2024 at 16:04

Rob_B said:
Isn't the 840 potentially worse than some 620s?

Some A620 motherboards unofficially support PCI-E 5.0 SSDs.

JediFragger · 25 Jul 2024 at 16:04

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Then you see ASRock make the ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 for £100~£120 which has a great VRM,etc

That is a cracking board for the money tbf, if I hadn't gotten this bundle I'd have gone for one of those.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 25 Jul 2024 at 16:05

JediFragger said:
That is a cracking board for the money tbf, if I hadn't gotten this bundle I'd have gone for one of those.

It's a great motherboard - there is also the Gigabyte B650M DS3H which is an alternative.

Gerard · 25 Jul 2024 at 21:40

Grim5 said:
Gamers Nexus says the delay is because some units are not running at spec - whether that's clock speed, ram speed, cache speed, latency etc who knows, could be anything.

Really? In what video was that because in the video I watched he gives an example from a past launch where a cpu was below frequency target, he states in the video he doesn't know the actual issue for the 9000 series cpus. Starts talking about it at 8:20

Legion · 26 Jul 2024 at 07:44

AMD Ryzen 9000 reviews will be posted day before launch - VideoCardz.com

AMD Zen5 desktop CPU reviews before launch Good news, AMD will be allowing reviewers to share their findings a day before launch. Embargoes can be hard to navigate. NVIDIA typically has several embargoes for each product, covering areas like product disclosure, unboxing, reviews, and even the...

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KompuKare · 26 Jul 2024 at 08:27

Legion said:
AMD Ryzen 9000 reviews will be posted day before launch - VideoCardz.com

AMD Zen5 desktop CPU reviews before launch Good news, AMD will be allowing reviewers to share their findings a day before launch. Embargoes can be hard to navigate. NVIDIA typically has several embargoes for each product, covering areas like product disclosure, unboxing, reviews, and even the...

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Unboxing? Well with CPUs they can forget about any unboxing articles/videos as far as I'm concerned!

Unless someone decides to include some crazy over the top cooler - which my phone wanted to autocorrect to "chiller"!

wookiee87 · 26 Jul 2024 at 08:57

AMD officially begins Ryzen 9000 reservations in China, potential delay reason surfaces - VideoCardz.com

SoC Packaging issues named a potential reason for delays Officially, there are no preorders available for the Ryzen 9000 series yet. This would be complicated, given that AMD has still not officially announced pricing. However, in China, something similar to reservations is quite popular, and...

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could be SoC packaging error with initial units thats caused the delay?

KillBoY_UK · 26 Jul 2024 at 10:54

wookiee87 said:
AMD officially begins Ryzen 9000 reservations in China, potential delay reason surfaces - VideoCardz.com

SoC Packaging issues named a potential reason for delays Officially, there are no preorders available for the Ryzen 9000 series yet. This would be complicated, given that AMD has still not officially announced pricing. However, in China, something similar to reservations is quite popular, and...

videocardz.com

could be SoC packaging error with initial units thats caused the delay?

since its the same IO die as before? Ill be very surprised if its that

humbug · 26 Jul 2024 at 17:53

KillBoY_UK said:
since its the same IO die as before? Ill be very surprised if its that

Its not the same, Zen 4 was a 6nm IO die, this is 4nm.

Tetras · 26 Jul 2024 at 17:58

wookiee87 said:
AMD officially begins Ryzen 9000 reservations in China, potential delay reason surfaces - VideoCardz.com

SoC Packaging issues named a potential reason for delays Officially, there are no preorders available for the Ryzen 9000 series yet. This would be complicated, given that AMD has still not officially announced pricing. However, in China, something similar to reservations is quite popular, and...

videocardz.com

could be SoC packaging error with initial units thats caused the delay?

I thought it was actual packaging, like.. cardboard, don't know why I had that impression

Eddie99 · 26 Jul 2024 at 17:58

humbug said:
Its not the same, Zen 4 was a 6nm IO die, this is 4nm.

Where are you getting that information? I thought it was on the same 6nm IO die as Zen 4.

humbug · 26 Jul 2024 at 18:01

Eddie99 said:
Where are you getting that information? I thought it was on the same 6nm IO die as Zen 4.

Rumours, but actually you're right.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/9000-series/amd-ryzen-9-9950x.html

Curlyriff · 26 Jul 2024 at 18:32

Tbh I've taken it more originally that it was likely an IHS/thermal application issue considering the turn around time.

pete910 · 26 Jul 2024 at 18:38

Curlyriff said:
Tbh I've taken it more originally that it was likely an IHS/thermal application issue considering the turn around time.

I think it was all on purpose, stratigic delay as to wait for Intel's "Fix" to drop. Then benched against that

That's maybe me being cynical , However If I we're in charge that's what I would have done! :cry:

Joxeon · 26 Jul 2024 at 20:17

humbug said:
Rumours, but actually you're right.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/9000-series/amd-ryzen-9-9950x.html

AMD have possibly made some enhancements though if the FCLK is hitting 2400mhz as reported by in that early YT review.

John24 · 26 Jul 2024 at 22:23

CB results, decent jump from 3950X to 9950X. 9950X at 80W beating 3950X and 5950X as well!

3950X 23086 (105W)
5950X 25680 (105W)
9950X 29430 (80W)
9950X 33373 (100W)
9950X 36478 (120W)
7950X 38772 (170W)
9950X 42336 (160W)
9950X 43905 (170W)
9950X 44782 (200W)
9950X 46090 (230W)
9950X 46904 (253W)
9950X 48011 (Unlimited)

humbug · 26 Jul 2024 at 22:56

John24 said:
CB results, decent jump from 3950X to 9950X. 9950X at 80W beating 3950X and 5950X as well!

3950X 23086 (105W)
5950X 25680 (105W)
9950X 29430 (80W)
9950X 33373 (100W)
9950X 36478 (120W)
7950X 38772 (170W)
9950X 42336 (160W)
9950X 43905 (170W)
9950X 44782 (200W)
9950X 46090 (230W)
9950X 46904 (253W)
9950X 48011 (Unlimited)

+13% at 170 watts.

Where is this from?