It is the same every release GPU and CPU. People moaning about price and performance even when products have not been released. It just gets boring and repetitive. If people do not like the price do not buy, simples. Do not forget these companies have a responsibility to there share holders to make money! I still thing the comparison i made is valid though, a 2 generation old broken Intel CPU (13900K) potentially costing more then AMD's newest top end CPU.
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AMD Zen 5 rumours
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How is a 13900k a valid comparison though when it has over double the MT of the 7600X?
Unlikely.
Soldato
Yeah they are expensive per GB (even on offer) but they certainly feel more snappy/responsive than a standard SSD. Might be a while before something better comes along in terms of random reads & writes.
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Soldato
asking around £260 for the 9600x on launch will be an awful value proposition. what were amd thinking!
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Caporegime
The Ryzen 9600 will probably score around 17,500 in R23
The 14600KF scores 24,000, that's 37% higher, its currently £270
The next cheapest Intel is the 13600K, it scores 21,000, its currently £250.
Then the 14400F, 16,100, Its £200.
That's where i would like to see it, $199.99, its quite a big drop from where i'm sure AMD would like it but its a 6 core CPU and Intel have much faster options for the same price.
The 14600KF scores 24,000, that's 37% higher, its currently £270
The next cheapest Intel is the 13600K, it scores 21,000, its currently £250.
Then the 14400F, 16,100, Its £200.
That's where i would like to see it, $199.99, its quite a big drop from where i'm sure AMD would like it but its a 6 core CPU and Intel have much faster options for the same price.
For a while now AMD have very much just used their older gen cpus as the budget options. And it feels like that's continuing. Which does make the lower end version of the newest stuff kind of awkward. Makes the 9600x very difficult to reccomend when you'll likely get the 7700 for less and it does better in most things though likely not gaming. But it's not like the 9600x is the only 6 core they are selling. So if you want a cheap one there are many available.
Honestly at this point the 9600x in particular is just 2026 budget gaming cpu of choice in waiting
Honestly at this point the 9600x in particular is just 2026 budget gaming cpu of choice in waiting
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Caporegime
True, you can get an AM4 CPU for as little as £60, the Ryzen 5500, which is a proper 6/12, not an APU, is £90, its equivalent to a 12400F which is £100, but after than you start getting to CPU's that are a bit expensive, like the 5700X, 8/16 still a very capable CPU, easily enough for a 4070 but for that money i think the 7600 is better.
I think AMD's problem is their own success, their offerings are getting too crowded, how with 3 generations now do you start at £60, which is great, but fit in the rest up to £500, that must be 50 CPU's and you have to price them all in such a way that it makes sense.
I maybe did not make myself clear, I was referring to Zen 5 and in particular 9950x, i thought i said AMD's top end chip but apologies if i did not make myself clear
I think the problem is the 6 core cost more to produce as it has the same IO die + Core die. AMD's high end (16 core) are priced OK but the 6 core is a joke. Hopefully, Zen 6 will push up the core count across the range.
My opinion for what its worth is value is subjective. For me i will look at the SKU i want and if it provides enough of a performance jump over what i am currently using for the tasks i use it for and/or it provides additional features to play with then the prices i have seen represent value (9950x). AMD will know exactly how many of each SKU they sold at launch for ZEN 4, they will know what the market is like now, they will know more then us about the performance of ZEN 5 and price based on that. AMD will either be proven right or wrong by people subjective opinion on whether or not it represents value and buys them
The other factor of course is they will of seen that confidence in Intel is low and may well believe they can achieve a certain sales target with the pricing based on that
The other factor of course is they will of seen that confidence in Intel is low and may well believe they can achieve a certain sales target with the pricing based on that
Soldato
The thing is what you do with all those chips that only have 6 cores working? It isn't that you get rid I think you need a level below the 9600x as such with 9500x being used for the 6 cores and then shift everything up accordingly. So next gen needs something like,
10500x = 6 - £189
10600x = 8 - £219
10700x = 12 - £299
10800x = 16 - £389
10900x = 24 - £499
And just reset the naming structure as such. It won't happen but that would be the way forward honestly. But yeah will keep wishing ha.
While AMD are pushing the per core performance up so much for each generation, I think they'll just continue to do it this way. 6 fast cores still seems to be the optimum point for games and most apps.
I don't think AMD GAF that they're not competitive in multithreaded benchmarks at the lower-end, since it appears to have no (or very little) impact on sales of the 7500F and 7600 in DIY. They're very popular CPUs, even before 13th-14th gen were dead in the water.
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think 9950x is on the cards for me once released 
Associate
Might be worth holding off buying the first wave of AMD 9000 cpu's on the 4nm process as I read they will shortly after be releasing the same cpu's on a 3nm process. Guess I'll be waiting for the 9800x3d 3nm cpu b4 I finally upgrade the old 5900x
I’m pretty sure 3nm will be for EPYC and Threadripper.
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i think you would be you half the core count , i went from a 5950 to a 14900k bit under whelming and a big disappointment after a couple of months haha . stay with the 5950x in my opinion
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