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AMD Zen 5 rumours
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With Arrow lake out end of next months all reviewers will have to retest AMD with some semblance of settled Windows/patch/bios/game bar/power limit configuration.
I doubt any will be suddenly proclaiming how great 9000 has become
But would be nice to have a full chart of CPUs together again, because review day stuff should be thrown out by now
I predict ARL may end up with similar story as 9000. It will be just above last gen (14900K) fighting for second place behind 7800X3D. With roughly same price levels but also requiring new motherboards.
Do you think Intel will receive same kind of meh response?
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Feel sorry for the reviewers testing the 9000 series, first the initial review, then reviewed again with the Windows 11 patch and now it will have to be tested all over again with the core latency BIOS patch. Great job AMD 
In the future they really need to either release the X3D ones at the same time because most buyers I bet will be waiting for these and this is going to hurt sales, or just scrap the regular non X3D parts on the next gen and just go with CPUs using a large amount of cache as standard as there is sod all in the clocks speeds anyway. A bit more expensive but less models to manage.
In the future they really need to either release the X3D ones at the same time because most buyers I bet will be waiting for these and this is going to hurt sales, or just scrap the regular non X3D parts on the next gen and just go with CPUs using a large amount of cache as standard as there is sod all in the clocks speeds anyway. A bit more expensive but less models to manage.
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Caporegime
It wont, Intel will push APL to +10% minimum in games vs AMD 'At any cost' its what they do..... if your CPU is burned out in 6 months Intel's response is silence, when the noise gets too loud they say "we don't know, probably your motherboard" before eventually saying "we fixed it, it was nothing really" and reduce the voltage by 1.8%.
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My threadripper with 8 sticks of ram (running 3466), raid arrays of NVME's and like 20 HDD's connected takes a lifetime to boot! 5 mins or more wouldn't be an exaggeration. Luckily I rarely reboot it so it doesnt bother me.. its more server than it is desktop so happy days.
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The 14th Gen power-consumption in some of those games is *bonkers*!
7800X3D with a -30 PBO and I'm pulling less than 40W at 4k in some games
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good luck with that
haven't seen a single encouraging game benchmark leak. Its all geekbench and cinebench
they are dealing with lower clocks and moving to chiplets - lucky if it matches 14900K in games
Caporegime
The 14th Gen power-consumption in some of those games is *bonkers*!
7800X3D with a -30 PBO and I'm pulling less than 40W at 4k in some games
What's mental about that is not just how good the performance per watt but on top of that how over volted they are, -30 is -90mv to -150mv across the voltage curve.
Early first samples may have needed that voltage curve but 2 years of improvements on the node has made them even more efficient, they could be made with a lower voltage curve now.
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AMD Zen 5 rumours
They will have been "thank god, only 99 left to sell..." ! I never realised quite how big the price jump from ther 9900 to 9950 is.. :/ I hadn't really looked but now I have, it is quite steep. Having said that, if you take MSRP instead of the sale prices for Zen 4, it is a 20 quid increase...
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The 14th Gen power-consumption in some of those games is *bonkers*!
7800X3D with a -30 PBO and I'm pulling less than 40W at 4k in some games
When you are playing at the kind of resolution and settings people buy these CPUs for the difference is pretty minimal between any recentish CPU in the same kind of ballpark. IMO these 1080p tests are skewing people's perceptions vs reality and by the time GPUs come along which really expose the differences at higher resolutions all these CPUs will be yesterday's story.
The power consumption at the wall rather than at the CPU rail isn't as dramatically different, though still a fair win to AMD, especially if you factor in non-gaming performance where you have to turn to the 7950 and 9950 chips really.
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Don't forget that huge majority of gamers still play in 1080p resolution and without any jokes - I've seen owners of 4090 using 1080p monitors for high FPS.
Less than 1% of gamers own a 4090 and of those the majority would be playing at 1440 or 4k
You would think so and yet I see them often enough on forums to doubt it. Some people just want high FPS numbers and care none for resolution.
Forums like this are more skewed towards the higher end and doesn’t represent the general market, even so I don’t see many on here that claim to run a 4090 at 1080p.
Some do e-sport/professional gaming with a 4090 @ 1080p and shooting for 360Hz, etc. but that is another matter really. Most people spending the kind of money for a 7000 series AMD or 13th/14th gen Intel combined with a upper mid-range to high end GPU to play at 1440p or 4K with settings turned up, the bulk of people playing at 1080p are going to be on more budget/value oriented hardware.
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This time AMD wins either way. Zen4 will be phased out eventually and replaced by Zen5, like Nvidia did with 4k series. As long as people buy AMD, it doesn't matter much to them.
Caporegime
Depends of what AMD's plans are for Zen 4, if they do plan to phase them out then yes Zen 5 will simply take their place, but its also about pricing, Zen 4 is in a good place with that, they have strong sales but if they are phased out and Zen 5 is to take its place then Zen 5 needs to be a little more price compelling than it currently is.
IMO Intel will be more competitive this time round, I think the performance will be a little better than Zen 5 and they will use less power than 14'th gen, i think the saving grace for AMD is Intel may wish to be rewarded for that so the price might be a little high, having said that i think its equally likely that Intel may go aggressive against AMD, they may use their recent corporate welfare taxpayers bailout to low margin Arrow Lake and take back market share on pricing.
AMD must resist this, they need to keep making Intel burn through all of this money and gain little for it because the moment they allow these strategies work they will have much bigger problems in the long run, they must keep Intel feeling like "Man, no matter what we do......" AMD need to keep Intel depressed, both figuratively and physically, AMD will take a hit doing it but this is for the long term.
IMO Intel will be more competitive this time round, I think the performance will be a little better than Zen 5 and they will use less power than 14'th gen, i think the saving grace for AMD is Intel may wish to be rewarded for that so the price might be a little high, having said that i think its equally likely that Intel may go aggressive against AMD, they may use their recent corporate welfare taxpayers bailout to low margin Arrow Lake and take back market share on pricing.
AMD must resist this, they need to keep making Intel burn through all of this money and gain little for it because the moment they allow these strategies work they will have much bigger problems in the long run, they must keep Intel feeling like "Man, no matter what we do......" AMD need to keep Intel depressed, both figuratively and physically, AMD will take a hit doing it but this is for the long term.
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if they released the x3d chips sales would have been higher, loads of people like me waiting for x3d. coming from am4