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AMD Zen 5 rumours
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lol those complaints are hilarious in retrospect because Intel fans have spent the last couple years saying those same things about ever Intel review; there is even entire YouTube channels, like Framechasers, dedicated to coming out with coping mechanisms and excuses
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Caporegime
They definitely should be using low settings to ensure that the games are fully CPU limited. Using Ultra settings is not ideal and will just group all the CPUs closer together.
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Soldato
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The whole thing falls apart when you actually look at HUB's data and see a clear demarcation between a 5800x3d, 7700/9700, 7800x3d. If it was GPU limited, that wouldn't happen. You certainly wouldn't have outliers like you do with ACC etc.
It's ok. AMD made a poor cpu for gaming. Happens. Intel did it with RKL and now likely ARL.
They need to redo the IOD for Zen6 and increase the BW notably. All will be good again.
I would not call Zen 5 a poor gaming CPU, its just not a massive improvement over Zen 4 but it is an improvement. It's been known for some time that AMD tuned the CPU cores for server workloads, that's where the biggest gains are and that's the best paying sector to target.
Soldato
Yeah, I get it wasn't much of an improvement, but poor? It's still every bit as quick as the generation before it.
Soldato
I agree with the last few posts, HUB are starting to get on my nerves. Think I'll watch GN more from now on, at least he isnt totally negative about AMD and keeps calling them a 'flop'.
I am glad the 5800X3D is still doing well though, as seen in GN's benchmarks btw
I am glad the 5800X3D is still doing well though, as seen in GN's benchmarks btw
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Watch out for that AMD dip bro I actually find the guy quite entertaining, he can get his 9950x to pretty much match the 7800x3d in gaming (some secret tweaks only given to his discord members) while still have all those cores so his windows experience is more snappy and cache or loading times are way way quicker. But at the end of the day he's returning or selling that CPU because half the cores are clocked slightly lower so feels a bit cheated, but did say if it wasn't for that he'd keep it
Soldato
It's a flop for gaming (so far) when you consider the performance relative to the previous 7000 series CPUs, especially factoring the price in too. The sales numbers seemed to back that up, alongside the 7800X3D demand skyrocketing.
Of course AMD will try and pull these tactics, because they have the performance crown.
Launch expensive and grab the whales, but don't expect the gaming-focused reviews to ignore price/performance.
Of course AMD will try and pull these tactics, because they have the performance crown.
Launch expensive and grab the whales, but don't expect the gaming-focused reviews to ignore price/performance.
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I'd only consider it a flop if it was worse than the previous generation, which it isn't. Sales are really bad because most I bet will be waiting for the X3D ones anyway, even though those I bet won't be much of an improvement over the current ones. But I’d be happy to be wrong, and if you already have a 7000 series CPU, then most people won't be upgrading because it's not worth it anyway.
If you’re still on a CPU that's 3 to 4 generations old or more, then the 9000 series would be a perfectly fine upgrade, it's not a great single-generational improvement, but it's far from a flop because performance is fine, power consumption is fine, and temps seem pretty good.
And let's not start with Intel because they've just done the exact same thing with Ultra: same performance with much better power consumption and lower temps. So according to most here, I suppose the Intel Ultra is a flop as well because it's a crap single-generational improvement in performance, even though it looks like a great CPU.
If you’re still on a CPU that's 3 to 4 generations old or more, then the 9000 series would be a perfectly fine upgrade, it's not a great single-generational improvement, but it's far from a flop because performance is fine, power consumption is fine, and temps seem pretty good.
And let's not start with Intel because they've just done the exact same thing with Ultra: same performance with much better power consumption and lower temps. So according to most here, I suppose the Intel Ultra is a flop as well because it's a crap single-generational improvement in performance, even though it looks like a great CPU.
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Personally I'd consider it a flop, whether Intel, AMD, nVidia or whoever, where it is barely an iterative update maintaining or increasing the price point. The 9000 series also seems a slight step back from the maturity level the 7000 series reached while not really offering anything over the 7000 series for most people.
On a related note goes back to another post I made recently though and something a lot of people miss - this also applies to CPU power consumption in gaming where the reviews usually show 1080p low consumption. When you test with the settings people are going to be actually using when pairing a higher end CPU up with a higher end GPU the power consumption is also grouped much closer together - just doing some testing with Hogwarts Legacy for example 1080p low settings with a 4080 Super there is a 130 watt difference at the wall between the 14700K and 7800X3D, at 4K ultra that drops to just 18 watt difference on average. Though I'm sure certain poster's minds are going to go into meltdown and automatically reject that notion.
EDIT: Though in CPU heavier games like Hell Divers 2 (~60 watt difference at 4K ultra) the 14th gen CPU power consumption can still be substantially higher.
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Caporegime
It's definitely not a 'bad' gaming CPU, so that's definitely a bad take.
If HUB reran their tests and used low settings, the Zen 5 CPUs would pull further head of Zen 4 that what is shown in this chart below.
Some of the HUB 9700X results are a little odd too. For example, they have the 7700X 4 FPS faster than the 9700X in Cyberpunk at 1080P, yet Computer base have the 9700X 9% faster than the 7700X in their testing of the same game at 720P.
That's normal Rroff, and it applies to AMD CPUs as well. Using Ultra Settings, higher resolution it will just result in lower CPU power draw and group all the CPUs closer together in terms of pure performance. The higher resolution, and image quality settings, the less the CPU has to work and the more it moves to the GPU.
If HUB reran their tests and used low settings, the Zen 5 CPUs would pull further head of Zen 4 that what is shown in this chart below.
Some of the HUB 9700X results are a little odd too. For example, they have the 7700X 4 FPS faster than the 9700X in Cyberpunk at 1080P, yet Computer base have the 9700X 9% faster than the 7700X in their testing of the same game at 720P.
Steady steady it’s not that bad.
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If the M chips were available on windows, that’d be great tbh. Would put a lot of pressure on amd and Intel but apple wont so it’s a moot point.
Does this mean HUB are back on the list again? HUB released and bunch of video's to debunk and defend themselves against the attacks made not only towards their channel but them personally and some people are like HUB's annoying me being negative towards AMD...I agree with the last few posts, HUB are starting to get on my nerves. Think I'll watch GN more from now on, at least he isnt totally negative about AMD and keeps calling them a 'flop'.
I am glad the 5800X3D is still doing well though, as seen in GN's benchmarks btw
One knows these CPU's are poor/bad when being as quick as the last generation should be the bare minimum and its being used as a selling point.
Soldato
Poor that it's hardly an increase in overall performance is the point. If a new console came out and it was barely if anything better than the previous machine I think it would be fair to say people would call it a flop.