AMD Zen 5 rumours

[Rob_B]

after 2 evenings of looking at RAM compatibility, boot times etc for DDR5 I'm half leaning back towards AM4 lol

just specced up a 5700x3D, Strix equivalent mobo, 64gb DDR4000-C19 RAM and its coming in 170 less than the AM5 platform with a 7700x

the PC I built for my son is around a 5800x3D and it's coping fine with 4x16gb sticks, something that DDR5 seems to have an issue with so if I am to go AM5 route I have to make decision now 48gb vs 64 vs 32 rather than upgrade later

RAM is almost double the price too - £200 for 64gb of 6000C30 RAM (or £190 if C36) - vs £115 for 64gb DDR4 4000 C19

Even if you can get that RAM to run at 4000 the X3D won't really care that much, certainly in gaming.

If you're saving £170 vs choosing a 7700X why not go for a 7600 instead and bring that difference down closer to £70 ? I'd personally pay £70 to go AM5 instead of AM4

 

[Buckster]

Even if you can get that RAM to run at 4000 the X3D won't really care that much, certainly in gaming.

If you're saving £170 vs choosing a 7700X why not go for a 7600 instead and bring that difference down closer to £70 ? I'd personally pay £70 to go AM5 instead of AM4

some good points - the 4000 C19 RAM was same price as other 64gb C18 Kits I could find. Appreciate it doesn't make such a difference with the x3d chip but if same price

ref 7700x I was just thinking games are going to be going more and more towards 8 cores vs 6 (especially Flight Sims moving forward) - therefore to me in my limited view an older 8 core is going to keep current for gaming longer than a 6 core AM5

ref the previous comment regarding slower RAM on the AM5s - I might have miss-read reviews etc thought 6000 was the optimum speed for gaming etc for the AM5 non x3D chips ?

if I could I'd go DDR5 - 32gb see how I get on and upgrade later to 4x16gb but seems that is not so possible with AM5 stability wise ?

considering ideal specs for FS2024 is 64gb and people have already shown in FS2020 higher 1%/.1% lows 32gb vs 48gb - 32gb at this stage seems limiting if can't be easily upgraded

 

[Joxeon]

Well, depending on the power rating it’s going to be around 20% faster isn’t it.

Maybe in multicore workloads but then if that was a concern surely you buy the 7900X3D/7950X3D in the first instance.

 

[jigger]

Maybe in multicore workloads but then if that was a concern surely you buy the 7900X3D/7950X3D in the first instance.

In any workloads. Probably over 20% in many situations.

 

[Joxeon]

In any workloads. Probably over 20% in many situations.

Unlikely for the main use case which is gaming.

 

[MikeB]

That graph is seriously dodgy, it lists 9000x3d not 9800x3d, and if true means zero difference for anyone 1440p and above where cpu matters less and less, 1080p is where the processor matters more

 

[Dg834man]

Quick question. Currently running 4 DIMMS at DDR5 6000, can someone enlighten me to the affects of this on Curve Optimiser and what i should expect? Running 7950X3D currently

Shouldn't have any.

 

[jigger]

Unlikely for the main use case which is gaming.

I think it’s very likely the 9800X3D will have 20% on the 7800X3D.

 

[kidkhaos]

Unlikely for the main use case which is gaming.

You might be right but Daniel makes some interesting points in this video so I'm not 100% sure that the uplift will only be 5%.

 

[uscool]

Unlikely for the main use case which is gaming.

Just 3 games and one looks really GPU bound and 5090 probably will help

 

[MikeB]

You might be right but Daniel makes some interesting points in this video so I'm not 100% sure that the uplift will only be 5%.

I now qualify as a true nerd as I watched all of that

 

[JediFragger]

That graph is seriously dodgy

Welcome to AMD graphs these days!!!

 

[FredFlint]

some good points - the 4000 C19 RAM was same price as other 64gb C18 Kits I could find. Appreciate it doesn't make such a difference with the x3d chip but if same price

ref 7700x I was just thinking games are going to be going more and more towards 8 cores vs 6 (especially Flight Sims moving forward) - therefore to me in my limited view an older 8 core is going to keep current for gaming longer than a 6 core AM5

ref the previous comment regarding slower RAM on the AM5s - I might have miss-read reviews etc thought 6000 was the optimum speed for gaming etc for the AM5 non x3D chips ?

if I could I'd go DDR5 - 32gb see how I get on and upgrade later to 4x16gb but seems that is not so possible with AM5 stability wise ?

considering ideal specs for FS2024 is 64gb and people have already shown in FS2020 higher 1%/.1% lows 32gb vs 48gb - 32gb at this stage seems limiting if can't be easily upgraded

The performance difference between 5200 and 6000 is not big in most things, 5600 seems to be the price/performance sweet spot.

 

[Tetras]

ref the previous comment regarding slower RAM on the AM5s - I might have miss-read reviews etc thought 6000 was the optimum speed for gaming etc for the AM5 non x3D chips ?

If you don't like the £200+ price and ~£150 gets you a 5600 kit, I wouldn't give a second thought. Is it optimal? No. Will you notice? Very unlikely. But, if you think you're going to run out of ram regularly, you will notice that!

if I could I'd go DDR5 - 32gb see how I get on and upgrade later to 4x16gb but seems that is not so possible with AM5 stability wise ?

They used to dislike it, but there's been a lot of updates since then, so not sure what the current state is with running 4 sticks. That said, I'd still avoid it if at all possible.

 

[Joxeon]

Just 3 games and one looks really GPU bound and 5090 probably will help

I just don’t see how we can expect a large uplift when we already know the vanilla zen 5 didn’t deliver much extra over Zen4, for the 9800X3D an extra 2-300mhz on the boost clock may add another couple of percent but I’d be surprised if in the end it’s more than a 7% improvement over the 7800X3D.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

I just don’t see how we can expect a large uplift when we already know the vanilla zen 5 didn’t deliver much extra over Zen4, for the 9800X3D an extra 2-300mhz on the boost clock may add another couple of percent but I’d be surprised if in the end it’s more than a 7% improvement over the 7800X3D.

They said they made other improvements, is there any info that shows what they've done or is it not confirmed yet? I wonder if the 7950X3D is a good buy or if the 9950X3D will be different enough to make it worth it.. But likely not at first: high pricing as usual I suppose.

 

[mr griffin]

was looking at maybe getting the 9800x3d, but as just a gamer it's looking like the money will be better spent of a 50 series GFX card

 

[uscool]

I just don’t see how we can expect a large uplift when we already know the vanilla zen 5 didn’t deliver much extra over Zen4, for the 9800X3D an extra 2-300mhz on the boost clock may add another couple of percent but I’d be surprised if in the end it’s more than a 7% improvement over the 7800X3D.

Maybe but price difference to the 7800x3d is probably gonna be £50 other option is arrow lake

 

[Joxeon]

Maybe but price difference to the 7800x3d is probably gonna be £50 other option is arrow lake

If arrow lake is a flop in gaming then I fully expect the 9800X3D to be launched for $500

 

[Journey]

I am all for prices going up and people keeping things longer, we've hit a point where greed is the main staple of companies be it NVidia, AMD or Intel. Sustainability should be a goal pushed on them, frankly making things more expensive is a great way to put people off buying for the sake of it.