AMD Zen 5 rumours

[smilertoo]

AMD moved to chiplet CPUs to reduce wastage, also Intel are just historically greedy.

 

[alec]

It’s very unlikely AMD could produce chips for less than Intel.

I think its the opposite
Intel is just starting with tiles and doing it in more advanced and complex form.
AMD is not introducing anything new in Zen 5 (Zen 4 refresh, really), not using the most advanced node.

 

[humbug]

15'th gen will be expensive, its large, on the most advanced node with very expensive packaging.

I think its Intel's hope to be able to go back to high pricing for CPU's with these, they may get a surprise.

I think what going to happen is Ryzen 9000 series might not be quite as good as 15'th gen, but to do it Intel will be producing very expensive CPU's while AMD's are very cheap, they are at extreme ends.

Intel will want to say "ha... see we can beat them" If AMD are smart they will say "yeah but its so expensive compared to ours we can still make a profit selling ours at a price where you make a loss"

Anyone can make a fast CPU, if you make it big enough on the most advanced node, look at Apples M chips, they are huge, and frankly still not that good... making tiny little CPU's on older cheaper nodes that are still fast, that's a skill Intel don't have.

If i was AMD i would be punishing Intel at every turn, i would be beating them down relentlessly. Never let them get back on their feet.

 

[jigger]

I think its the opposite
Intel is just starting with tiles and doing it in more advanced and complex form.
AMD is not introducing anything new in Zen 5 (Zen 4 refresh, really), not using the most advanced node.

I very much doubt AMD could produce silicon at TSMC for a lower rate than Intel.

 

[humbug]

I very much doubt AMD could produce silicon at TSMC for a lower rate than Intel.

Intel are using 3nm, AMD 4nm / 6nm and AMD's chip is very much smaller.

 

[humbug]

For those that didnt read the article in full..

AMD's Ryzen 9000 won't beat the previous-gen X3D models in gaming, but they'll be close — improved 3D V-Cache coming, too

Ryzen 9000's 3D V-Cache will get new features.

www.tomshardware.com

I wonder if decent overclocking might be a thing with these 65w 8-Core 9700X's?

Somewhat odd thing to say given that the 16 core has the same 170 TDP and its not like Intel TDP where 125 watts is actually 350 watts.

Its only the 12, 8 and 6 core that get a lower TDP but there was no reason to have the same 170 watt TDP for the 12 core as the 16 core, it never pulled that much power, all AMD have done here was change the numbers to be more in line with how they draw power anyway.

 

[MyBrainz]

Somewhat odd thing to say given that the 16 core has the same 170 TDP and its not like Intel TDP where 125 watts is actually 350 watts.

I was specifically talking about the 9700X, unless you're not talking about what I said, but the guy in the article

 

[FredFlint]

Somewhat odd thing to say given that the 16 core has the same 170 TDP and its not like Intel TDP where 125 watts is actually 350 watts.

Its only the 12, 8 and 6 core that get a lower TDP but there was no reason to have the same 170 watt TDP for the 12 core as the 16 core, it never pulled that much power, all AMD have done here was change the numbers to be more in line with how they draw power anyway.

AMD's 170W TDP pulls ~250W+ power, think the TDP is about how much heat it must dissipate but I could be wrong. I have seen mine at ~250W(HWiNFO64) running Cinebench. @65W TDP it uses ~95W and @105W it uses ~130W.

 

[humbug]

AMD's 170W TDP pulls ~250W+ power, think the TDP is about how much heat it must dissipate but I could be wrong. I have seen mine at ~250W(HWiNFO64) running Cinebench. @65W TDP it uses ~95W and @105W it uses ~130W.

So not 350 watts then...

 

[FredFlint]

So not 350 watts then...

Not for me but if all the OC stuff is on It might be, I don’t use that stuff so don’t know.

 

[ATIorNvidia]

AMD's 170W TDP pulls ~250W+ power, think the TDP is about how much heat it must dissipate but I could be wrong. I have seen mine at ~250W(HWiNFO64) running Cinebench. @65W TDP it uses ~95W and @105W it uses ~130W.

170W TDP = 230W PPT. 65W = 88W PPT and 105W is 142W PPT. It might spike above those momentarily but should sustain at or below those PPT number if everything is stock.

 

[Tetras]

think the TDP is about how much heat it must dissipate but I could be wrong

Modern TDPs are just a guide for OEMs on how much they can cheap out on the cooler, you can run a 14900 on a 65 watt cooler

Celeron Stock Cooler Vs i9 CPU

If you've made the upgrade from an entry-level CPU to a high-end one, you've probably got an Intel stock cooler lying around. So can you still use it? Well, ...

www.youtube.com

 

[RBImGuy]

Time to swap cpus then in september with the new x3d.
current one is so good and frankly I dont wanna swap but the new one is better so
and I dont need new ram nor mboard
good deal

 

[Dave2150]

I think what going to happen is Ryzen 9000 series might not be quite as good as 15'th gen, but to do it Intel will be producing very expensive CPU's while AMD's are very cheap, they are at extreme ends.

Intel will want to say "ha... see we can beat them" If AMD are smart they will say "yeah but its so expensive compared to ours we can still make a profit selling ours at a price where you make a loss"

Anyone can make a fast CPU, if you make it big enough on the most advanced node, look at Apples M chips, they are huge, and frankly still not that good... making tiny little CPU's on older cheaper nodes that are still fast, that's a skill Intel don't have.

If i was AMD i would be punishing Intel at every turn, i would be beating them down relentlessly. Never let them get back on their feet.

I think Ryzen 9000 will be superior to Intel's 15th gen (Arrow Lake Core Ultra 285k). It's Intel's first chiplet attempt for desktop CPU's, I think they've got much to learn to catch up with AMD.

 

[Marak]

Do we believe big chin guy on YouTube? (Moore's Law dude)

Just watched one where he said a 16-core x3d chip was in the offing. Nice upgrade from my 5800x3d for me.

 

[jigger]

I think Ryzen 9000 will be superior to Intel's 15th gen (Arrow Lake Core Ultra 285k). It's Intel's first chiplet attempt for desktop CPU's, I think they've got much to learn to catch up with AMD.

The issue is getting away from the from the Skylake + Atom limitations. Until then the strategy is adding accelerators and marketing acronyms and smart code.

 

[jigger]

Do we believe big chin guy on YouTube? (Moore's Law dude)

Just watched one where he said a 16-core x3d chip was in the offing. Nice upgrade from my 5800x3d for me.

It can be done.

 

[Tetras]

Do we believe big chin guy on YouTube? (Moore's Law dude)

Sometimes he is right, sometimes he is wrong. It wouldn't surprise me if AMD release that first though (with a big price premium) and the other X3Ds later.

 

[ATIorNvidia]

A 9950X3D with with V Cache on both CCD's would certainly be interesting

 

[uscool]

A 9950X3D with with V Cache on both CCD's would certainly be interesting

just wondering what would be the benefit ? if game uses more cores and spoiling over ccd to ccd it has latency penalty other than gaming v cache doesnt do anything ? and clockspeed cant be as high with ccd with v cache

in the interview did say they made some advancements so will be interesting to see what hopefullu more than just adding more memory to the v cache