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AMD Zen 5 rumours

LtMatt said:
It's definitely not going to be slower in Football Manager (uses AVX) which is my main game. That said, I will switch to X3D Granite when available. I did the same with the 7950X > 7950X3D too.
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Fair enough.

Are we any closer to knowing how long beteen 9950X and 9950X3D release? If it's going to be 6 months+ I'll likely get a 9950X to play around with as well.
 
wookiee87 said:
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AMD Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X Geekbench tests have been leaked - VideoCardz.com

More AMD Granite Ridge Zen5 CPUs spotted on Geekbench The 8 and 6-core variants were tested. New benchmark results for AMD’s upcoming Ryzen 9000 series have surfaced on the Geekbench database. While Geekbench isn’t the best benchmark used for evaluating new CPUs, it remains a popular tool among...
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9700X and 9600X tested
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65 Watts for the 8 core, that's pretty wild....

Also, reviews for these should be no more than a week or two away now.
 
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humbug said:
65 Watts for the 8 core, that's pretty wild....

Also, reviews for these should be no more than a week or two away now.
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65 watts is pretty lame and you can see it in the score - 14% higher single thread score but only 7% higher multithread score because due to its lower TDP in multithread workloads the 9700x runs at lower clock speed than 7700x. For reference the 9700x has a 700mhz lower base clock than the 7700x. 9700x probably has some overclocking headroom if AMD lets us push the power on that model
 
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Grim5 said:
65 watts is pretty lame and you can see it in the score - 14% higher single thread score but only 7% higher multithread score because due to its lower TDP in multithread workloads the 9700x runs at lower clock speed than 7700x. For reference the 9700x has a 700mhz lower base clock than the 7700x. 9700x probably has some overclocking headroom if AMD lets us push the power on that model
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That is near double the performance per watt, that's my point.
 
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Grim5 said:
65 watts is pretty lame and you can see it in the score - 14% higher single thread score but only 7% higher multithread score because due to its lower TDP in multithread workloads the 9700x runs at lower clock speed than 7700x. For reference the 9700x has a 700mhz lower base clock than the 7700x. 9700x probably has some overclocking headroom if AMD lets us push the power on that model
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It is actually pretty wild TBH.
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
how does it compare to the 7700 non-X? That's a 65W chip too isn't it?
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Good question.

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humbug said:
Zen 4 was incredibly efficient to start with, another 10 to 20% efficiency on top of that moving from 5nm to 4nm would have been expected, to be 7% faster at 65 vs 105 watts is mental.
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The 7950X at ECO 65W is at little faster(multi-core, much faster single core) than a 5950X at 105W. If this happens again, 7950X(170W) performance at 65W, that will be awesome. Be interesting to see how it scales.
 
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FredFlint said:
The 7950X at ECO 65W is at little faster than a 5950X at 105W. If this happens again, 7950X(170W) performance at 65W, that will be awesome. Be interesting to see how it scales.
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The 7700X at 147 watts measured doesn't scale at all over the 7700 measured at 88 watts, when i say at all its 6% for 67% more power, a 7700X at those power levels shouldn't really exist at all.

Now i think that's what we are seeing here, AMD think its daft to push an 8 core so hard it needs more than half the power again for just a few %.
 
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humbug said:
The 7700X at 147 watts measured doesn't scale at all over the 7700 measured at 88 watts, when i say at all its 6% for 67% more power, a 7700X at those power levels shouldn't really exist at all.

Now i think that's what we are seeing here, AMD think its daft to push an 8 core so hard it needs more than half the power again for just a few %.
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So maybe the 9700X isn't particularly brilliant (not saying it's bad) but it's more that the 7700X is pretty bad.
The 9700X must be in the region of 15% faster than the 7700 for similar power draw?
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
So maybe the 9700X isn't particularly brilliant (not saying it's bad) but it's more that the 7700X is pretty bad.
The 9700X must be in the region of 15% faster than the 7700 for similar power draw?
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The 9700X seems about 16% faster than the 7700X. I’m not sure how much faster the 7700X is vs 7700 non X. I seem to recall it was quite a bit in games though.
 
jigger said:
The 9700X seems about 16% faster than the 7700X. I’m not sure how much faster the 7700X is vs 7700 non X. I seem to recall it was quite a bit in games though.
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Ah, I misunderstood, I thought humbug said the 9700X was 7% faster than the 7700X but I think I got the wrong end of the stick (I think he said 7% faster at 65W vs 105W, which I assumed was 9700X vs 7700X).
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
Ah, I misunderstood, I thought humbug said the 9700X was 7% faster than the 7700X but I think I got the wrong end of the stick (I think he said 7% faster at 65W vs 105W, which I assumed was 9700X vs 7700X).
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Yes :) But given the level of scaling between the 7700 at 65 watt and the 7700X at 105 watt i no longer think it means anything.

I was wrong.
 
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I would not be surprised if AI/Crypto workloads get the biggest gains as the cores are used for all AMD's chips and that’s where the money is. If that is the case, the 16 core chips might sellout fast.
 
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