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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

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StarShock said:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3155109/computers/new-amd-ryzen-details-revealed-overclocking-crossfire-lineup-info-and-more.html

Some interesting titbits here. highlights - they're all coming at once, rather than drip feeding us one chip at a time. They all unlocked, but only certain chipsets will allow overclocking. And they aiming to be out before the end of the first quarter.
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Sweet. Every Ryzen supports overclocking* and they will be launching a full lineup of chips on day 1.

* Well, depending on motherboard chipset.
 
I really, really hope that Zen is the beginning of a comeback by AMD.

Given their drip fed, overpriced releases, I absolutely don't want to buy Intel for my next upgrade.

However, I still remember AMD price gouging unashamedly when they had the better product.
 
Given we haven't seen any 4c/6c ES chips in the wild (or did I miss it?), expect low availability :p The first lot of 4/6c will likely be salvage parts. Will be interesting if they move to dedicated 4c dies though, like how performance/cache differs
 
If every chip allows overclocking there's no way Intel are going to be able to compete on price with their current line-up against a 4/6 core Ryzen chip coupled with a B350 motherboard.
 
DragonQ said:
If every chip allows overclocking there's no way Intel are going to be able to compete on price with their current line-up against a 4/6 core Ryzen chip coupled with a B350 motherboard.
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I see a gap opening up in AMD's mid range.

Kaby Lake Pentiums are probably going to push Bristol Ridge AM4 CPU and APUss to sub £70 for the fastest chips. And then what? Nothing until the base Ryzen at what price?

Even the most favourable pricing rumours put 4c8t Ryzen at around $150. That's quite a gap to fill. If they're on par with current i5 prices the gap is even bigger.

I personally think that we're going to see a significant percentage come off the price of all KL i3s to i7s and Ryzen priced to compete.
 
Remember that AMD's APUs will have significantly better GPUs on-board compared to the Kaby Lake pentiums, and that's what they are designed to do really. AMD's top-end APUs aren't basic workstation chips like Pentiums, they are low-end gaming chips. So I'm willing to bet they'll cost more.
 
Intel's Iris Pro isn't dreadful as iGPUs go but it's still a little way behind AMD. I'm not sure what AM4 will bring in terms of improvement though. DDR4 may give quite a boost to AMD's APUs.
 
Harlequin said:
can I buy one for desktop?
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Not only is it solder only, but Intel GPUs are actually bad. Image quality and game bugs compared to AMD/Nvidia is laughable. They have raw performance, but horrible horrible drivers.

For gaming you're a million times better off with an AMD APU right now for actual support and good drivers for games and that is with a 5 + year old uncompetitive CPU architecture and an older GPU architecture, also older process meaning Intel has a half size process advantage currently. Meaning they can fit double the transistors for the gpu within the same size.

New Zen based APUs will trash Intel APUs for gpu performance, actually have drivers to back them up and make them play all games just fine. Intel is just competing with the last gen AMD APUs despite all the monumental advantages, it has zero chance against a new Zen APU.
 
Uriel said:
Intel's Iris Pro isn't dreadful as iGPUs go but it's still a little way behind AMD. I'm not sure what AM4 will bring in terms of improvement though. DDR4 may give quite a boost to AMD's APUs.
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Pentiums do not have Iris Pro.

drunkenmaster said:
Not only is it solder only, but Intel GPUs are actually bad. Image quality and game bugs compared to AMD/Nvidia is laughable. They have raw performance, but horrible horrible drivers.

For gaming you're a million times better off with an AMD APU right now for actual support and good drivers for games and that is with a 5 + year old uncompetitive CPU architecture and an older GPU architecture, also older process meaning Intel has a half size process advantage currently. Meaning they can fit double the transistors for the gpu within the same size.

New Zen based APUs will trash Intel APUs for gpu performance, actually have drivers to back them up and make them play all games just fine. Intel is just competing with the last gen AMD APUs despite all the monumental advantages, it has zero chance against a new Zen APU.
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I'm actually surprised Intel didn't do a deal with nVidia to make their IGPs, especially after AMD bought out ATI. Doing it from the ground up was never going to set the world alight and it's taken them a hell of a long time to get anywhere near the competition, let alone be competitive.
 
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