Soldato
ark says that BGA - its not a desktop part? and what is FCBGA 1440? is that even a desktop part (socket)?
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ark says that BGA - its not a desktop part? and what is FCBGA 1440? is that even a desktop part (socket)?
So then if you're playing bga game, just because something is not socketed you decide it's not desktop. End of the day carrizo was out as bga in 2015 mobile, enterprise custom.
2016 carrizo/bristol ridge was taken up by oem only.
So you will have had to wait over 1.5 years to see bristol ridge on am4.
To which it's still missing in action.
Strange that you have to defend amds defeat in igp, by saying yeah but you can'get it on drsktop. Well yes you can by definition it's a soc in a discreet case, it's just not socketed.
Edit all amd had to do was program that spare gddr5 unused memory controller in kaveri, they would have owned the igp sector.
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Soldato
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Cat i think you will find that is a box of AMD chips of all sorts, the 4300 is a model of AMD chip https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am3-processor-retail-cp-339-am.html
If you look at the chip next to it its an 8370E https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am3-processor-retail-cp-393-am.html
So i would say that box is just probably a stock photo with a ton of AMD chips of all varieties in it.
Soldato
I asked a question - the ? indicates that and yet you start with the trolling?
Carrizo was marketed as mobile only anyway
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...arrizo-l-are-both-28nm-mobile-only-processors
Bristol Ridge was launched in septmeber
Carrizo was marketed as mobile only anyway
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...arrizo-l-are-both-28nm-mobile-only-processors
Bristol Ridge was launched in septmeber
Soldato
Sorry - Iris. These pentiums have HD 630 - same as the i3, i5 and i7.
Trolling really? Carrizo L is puma/bema.
Well done you are typing what I already said and look here in red above (am4). I don't understand why you are so against the gt4e having better performance?
Or should we just accept that amd's desktop Bristol ridge is still inferior to a bga soc 6770hq?
Soldato
can you please cite , any review showing the performance of GT4e please.
Caporegime
Who cares - IGPs for desktop are for budget computers. Just because Intel made a £200 part which has a reasonable IGP,so what??
The parts with eDRAM are more expensive to make as they are a MCM.
You could probably buy a £100 CPU and a £100 graphics card which would demolish it anyway.
Even with the AMD APUs once you go above £70 their value proposition drops off a cliff IMHO OFC.
The parts with eDRAM are more expensive to make as they are a MCM.
You could probably buy a £100 CPU and a £100 graphics card which would demolish it anyway.
Even with the AMD APUs once you go above £70 their value proposition drops off a cliff IMHO OFC.
Help me then too please to get the facts.
It's hard as I said am4 isn't out yet, I'm trying to find oem Bristol ridge benches with exact details on making sure it's dual channel memory speed and setup etc.
I know how skullcanyon lines up though.
http://boostclock.com/show/000027/HP-Pavilion-A12-9800-OEM-BristolRidge-mini-review.html
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3074...n-nuc-smashes-all-mini-pc-preconceptions.html
i'll find some more
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Soldato
that was your claim
if you know how it lines up - please cite your source.
Caporegime
Who gives a damn,only you are getting overexcited just because a $378 Core i7 6700HQ might be quicker than a sub £100 APU which was released years ago.
Oh! Noes! A £400 Intel CPU(assuming we get a perfect conversion here and add VAT) is faster than a sub £100 set of AMD chips.
Plus most OEM system won't be using a £400 Intel CPU for its IGP performance,when the systems with Pentiums and Core i3s which the AMD APUs are targeted against sell for £250 to £400 for the entire system.
I don't care about igp, amd have been stangnated for so long it's not even a concenrn.
Caporegime
Well you obviously do since the AMD Zen thread,you are going on how overexcited you are about the IGP performance of a near £400 Core i7 6700HQ.
Nobody cares - if you even bothered to look at GameGPU,the previous 14NM Broadwell based Core i7 5775C can barely beat(or match) an ancient 28NM A10 7850K launched in 2014 using ancient DDR3.
I would certainly expect Intel with a newer 14NM CPU using a complex MCM package with L4 cache to beat an ancient CPU 1/4 the price.
You only have to look at how poorly the Core i7 6700K does in the same benchmarks once you take the L4 cache out of the equation,even with DDR4 and Intel has BETTER memory controllers than AMD.
Edit!!
If you want to look at IGP E-PEEN wars,the XBox One,PS4 and PS4 PRO are also SOCs. The GPUs they use are an IGP using shared system RAM. The XBox One uses GDDR3 with ESRAM.
AMD can make a faster IGP,but its entirely pointless if they are still stuck with older generation Core i3 level performance,as they still need decent CPU performance to sell an expensive CPU with a fast IGP to OEMs.
Also,unlike Intel AMD has lower end cards which will destroy the fastest IGPs Intel has for desktop.
Even for an OEM,a £66 Pentium G4560 and a RX460 or GTX1050 will be cheaper than a Core i7 6700HQ and be faster for gaming and much cheaper.
These special parts were mostly made for companies like Apple and to build some boutique systems,and most sales will be with the soldered versions.
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Caporegime
Its ok cuz soon Intel be using AMD for their iGPU's.
Thats no joke.
Thats no joke.
How can you claim i'm overexcited for the iris pro 580 igp?
All I've said is the gt4e has been in the lead for quite a while.
When Amd make the effort then yeah i'll be interested but so far that has been minimal gains in 1080p since kaveri 2014.
6700k uses hd530 24 eu it's not iris pro at all, and no l4.
only a few games but older 48 eu not even the 72eu. ahows 7850k quite behid, yes clock the 7870k and clock the ddr3 but we know it suffers from lack of bandwidth.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/intel-core-i7-5775c-i5-5675c-broadwell,review-33215-6.html
Soldato
still waiting for source to back up your claim of this
It's about as fast as a HD5850, so depends if AMD has faster APUs (think they do).
Caporegime
AMD's APUS in desktop are bandwidth bottlenecked.
They've been this way for a while.
Once they address they'll be ahead, which hopefully they do in new APU.
They've been this way for a while.
Once they address they'll be ahead, which hopefully they do in new APU.
Caporegime
I have not see anybody out of the dozens of PC owners I know have a Core i7 6700HQ or the Broadwell version.
Who in their right mind would be spending nearly £400 on a socketed Core i7 6700HQ.
IGPs are made for low cost on desktop - only you are getting overexcited when Core i3 and AMD APU systems are being sold for less than the cost of an entire Core i7 6700HQ.
I am not sure what reality I have walked into here.
The entire XBox One,PS4 or PS4 PRO is being sold for less(or similar cost) than a Core i7 6700HQ and destroys it in the IGP E-PEEN wars(they all use shared memory).
Yes,lets compare a £400 CPU against £100 and under ones.
How about a Core i3 6100 or Pentium G4260 which actually are priced similar to the APUs??
Plus here are some more recent games tested with the Core i7 5775C:
So,basically to beat a £70 to £100 AMD IGP,you would need to spend £300+ ,yet even a £300 Core i7 6700K cannot beat a £100 AMD IGP.
Maybe when Intel makes a £100 Core i3 with L4 cache,I might get excited about it,not some SKU that barely most people will even look at when doing a desktop build or buying an OEM prebuilt desktop. Not even OcUK does many(if any) desktop builds with the HQ series CPUs.
Whats even more shocking is how poor Intel IGP performance under £300 is and wheeling out a part which hardly any retailer ever sold in the UK is pointless. If a Core i7 6700K cannot even beat a 2014 A10,that certainly means a Core i3 won't be able to either.
So despite a move to 14NM,and three more generations of IGPs,DDR4 and better memory controllers,Intel Core i3 and Core i5 IGPs are not that exciting. Its probably why AMD has hardly bothered improving IGP performance and Bristol Ridge only really has improved compute performance and media support.
Once AMD gets improved CPU performance with Ryzen I expect there will be more impetus to improve IGP performance,not when it is stuck at older Core i3 level with their APUs.
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Soldato
I read that, but it's laughable. Even Intel wouldn't throw away all the time and money they've spent on iGPU design iteration. They are far more likely to licences concepts from AMD's rather large stack of patents than to ask RTG to solder a Polaris/Vega part to their 8xxx CPUs
