Some people on this forum are going to be terribly upset and disappointed judging by their posts if they don't get 6900k beating octo core performance for current intel 6700k/7700k prices!
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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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Some people on this forum are going to be terribly upset and disappointed judging by their posts if they don't get 6900k beating octo core performance for current intel 6700k/7700k prices!
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Does anyone know if the new Zen CPU's will have AVX 2.0?
Soldato
Will you be selling off your setup for Skylake-x or Ryzen then? Just wondering.
They do, but they do it across 128-bit registers requiring double the clock cycles. On the other hand this helps with power consumption and temperatures.
Caporegime
No body thinks that, that's just your hyperbole.
But its also not going to be anything like £1000, like the 6900K is, if Zen is as good as the 6900K i can see people get upset about that for all sorts of reasons. Including some retailers who sell these ridiculously overpriced Intel platforms.
Cheers. Interesting read. Overclocking is getting incrementally more nuanced since the 1155 platform. Don't know whether I welcome that or not!
(For anyone else wanting a read about the thermal control tool - https://edgeup.asus.com/2016/05/31/...dwell-e-processors-asus-thermal-control-tool/)
I agree with the concluding page. Having a configurable secondary voltage for AVX or load voltage/ratio in uefi would be a cool next step.
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Soldato
This is available with Z270. There is a penalty doing this compared with using the tool, I've been told. In terms of reaction time. Because of this it's preferable to use the app.
Lol, that's just replacing his hyperbole with your own
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I won't be buying any of the Ryzen CPU's due to launch this year in all likelihood. Even by AMD's marketing they are only positioning their top chip to be competitive with broadwell-e 6900k's which of course is a drop in upgrade for me if I choose to do so. Not worth swapping platforms for likely no tangible gains over my two year old setup with it's CPU that cost me under £300 at the times (yes I known it costs more now) albeit the mobo and memory wasn't cheap at the time! Will probably skip skylake-x to unless it really offers something massively compelling to me...... before my x99 setup i was using an x58 setup with a i7 920do intially then a i7 980 hex and skipped the x79 platform totally.
I doubt 6900K is going to be £1000 either once AMD have competition out.
Soldato
It may not come down as much as you think. The reason a top of the line chip like the 6900K is so very, very pricey is for some very sound marketing reasons. There are, broadly speaking, two types of customers. Those who evaluate carefully and want value for money; and those who don't care about the money and buy whatever they feel like. Because of the latter set it makes good sense to have an outlier product or two that is far more expensive than the rest of the range for them to buy.
That's why you keep getting people remarking about how overpriced something is. It's because they're the first type of customer and they expect the price of it to be sanely related to the rest of the range that they're looking at. But it's not for them. It's for the person who just clicks on the most expensive item because it's the most expensive item.
As long as Intel are able to keep the performance crown (which they will for at least the forseeable future), there will be an "overpriced" top of the line product.
In any case, the battle the two companies will really be fighting is in the server market. We have pages of people here arguing about performance (of a chip no independent reviewer can talk about yet, incidentally), but what will make or break AMD is performance per watt.
You challenged and the zen pricing thread delivers....
spoffle leads the charge.....
Ubersonic seems to think that the 6900k is only the price it is due to no competition so it and any comparable competing CPU should sell for circa £300 even adjusted from q9650 launch (2008) to 2017 ££'s that's around £350-375
Uriel thinks an AMD i7 6700 competing chip could cost £130... Can't see him thinking a 8c/16t cpu will cost much more than £350 if that's the case.....
And or course you can always rely on jigger....
Undesirable helps hammer home my point....
I assume you'll be retracting your statement that my post was hyperbole now????
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AMD have already told us that the stock speed will be 3.4 GHz+ and various reports of later steppings show they can boost to 3.9-4 GHz. This is higher than Intel's equivalent chips are clocked at. You're right about not knowing how well these guys overclock but to say it doesn't look promising because Ryzen's stock clocks aren't as good as what Intel's chips can overclock to is disingenuous.
AMD must have retail quality silicon by now, can you think of a good reason that they didn't demo a 4Ghz+ 8c/16t CPU at CES if it will achieve 4Ghz+ easily?
Just saying when AMD have to demo against a DOWN clocked intel cpu shortly before release it doesn't look like Ryzen will be a great clocker, willing and happy to be proved wrong on this of course...
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Soldato
A doomed attempt to stop people getting over-hyped about a chip that will be good but still below Intel's top chips.
But seriously, their goal is to deliver performance per watt to the server market. Maybe people will be able to OC it to 4GHz. That's quite possible it could happen. But I doubt that's normal for it. That's not what it's for.
Soldato
Any actual information yet chaps, or are we still squabbling over rumours?
Squabbling!
And I should know better. I'm out of here until some real news comes along. Have fun everybody! Has Intel ever done such an official demo with overclocked parts? "Here's a demo of two chips running at 4 GHz....except we won't be releasing any that run at 4 GHz except for boost" - sounds a bit dumb, no? It's pretty clear the point of the demo was to show relative IPC, not overclocking potential. We already know AMD hadn't finalised their boost frequencies by the time they did the demo. Perhaps that's because Ryzen doesn't clock as well as Broadwell-E, we don't know yet.
Caporegime
Intel lowering prices on anything is Intel admitting they are over priced now and that AMD are competitive, Intel have more than enough mindshare and fanboys to keep the prices as high as they are today.